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QQ with straight draw am Flop call all in at turn?

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kingdollar
Joined: 13.04.2007

Dear community,
I was playing with QQ with overpair and open ended straight draw at the flop. Can I really find a fold here at the turn after villian goes all in?
I have 8 outs for the straight and I'm getting 1,24/1,86 so 1.5:1 pot odds but I need odds 5.75:1 to call with a OESD. When I also calculate the two missing queens I have 10 outs so I would need 3.6:1, but I only get 1.5:1. So after analyzing it now with some time to think about it I think it is a fold at the turn. I don't see villian playing with worse hands check / raise all in, and maybe he already has a straight...

** Hand History For Game 1731259975462y9eirvmemg **
0.01/0.02 Texas Holdem Game Table (NL) - Sun Nov 10 12:31:52 EST 2024
Table Amsterdam 196 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6/6
Seat 1: Player6 ($1.78)
Seat 2: Player1 ($3.27)
Seat 3: Player2 ($2.40)
Seat 4: Hero ($1.72)
Seat 5: Player4 ($2.50)
Seat 6: Player5 ($2)
Player1 posts small blind (0.01)
Player2 posts big blind (0.02)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Qs, Qd ]
Hero raises 0.06 to 0.06
Player4 folds
Player5 folds
Player6 folds
Player1 folds
Player2 calls (0.04)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Jd, Tc, 9h ]
Player2 checks
Hero bets (0.10)
Player2 calls (0.10)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 5c ]
Player2 checks
Hero bets (0.32)
Player2 raises 2.24 to 2.24
Player2 is all-In.
Hero calls (1.24)
Hero is all-In.
Creating Main Pot with $ 3.28 with Hero
Player2 Cash-out Premium % is 1.0
Player2 opted for cash-out
Player2 probabilty is 77.28
Player2 Cashout Amount is 2.51
** Dealing River ** : [ 4c ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: $3.28 Rake: $0.17
Board: [ Jd, Tc, 9h, 5c, 4c ]
Player6 balance $1.78, didn't bet (folded)
Player1 balance $3.26, lost $0.01 (folded)
Player2 Cashed out balance $3.19, bet $2.40, collected $3.19, net +$0.79[ Ts, Th ] [ three of a kind, tens -- Jd,Ts,Th,Tc,9h ]
Hero balance $0, lost $1.72[ Qs, Qd ] [ a pair of queens -- Qs,Qd,Jd,Tc,9h ]
Player4 balance $2.50, didn't bet (folded)
Player5 balance $2, didn't bet (folded)


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Depends on reads on the villain you have, but you bet potsize and villain shoves is a really strong move.
Without reads I expect villain has you beat, but on NL2 you see sometimes weird blow ups.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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EmiyaKiritsugu
Joined: 13.08.2013

I think your sizings are bit too big. On that type of structure I would bet 3/4 max, too dynamic for pot size bets IMO. As played readless its crying call. Call only because you gave yourself odds.


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MeanGreen
Joined: 20.09.2007

The strategy tells you to open to 3bb and c-bet 2/3 pot on the flop. The turn should be a 2/3 pot sized bet. Don't forget to top up to 100bb so you have the optimal stack when you go all-in.

Against the check/raise you should be careful. On NL2 it could be anything really, from a pair to a set or a draw on the turn, but players won't be likely to bluff often.
I would probably call without any reads, but create a note villain slowplays a set and check/raises the turn.


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