NL200 SH Ongame vs -Zackk- (1)

mbml

Joined: 27.11.2008

18.01.2010, 01:11 0

25/20/1.3 Sample size (266)
ATS (35), FoldtoBB (83), cbetflop (42), foldtoflopcbet (11), foldto3bet (30)
F/T/R AF: 1.1/0.8/2.4
WTSD: 40

This guy check/calls so often with his strong hands, when he cbets I'm completely unsure of what he has

Basically this guy was sitting on the table with >$1000, not aggressive but he seems competent. He saw me spew off 77 vs AJ in a 4bet pot when I bet/shove on AXX vs another guy.

I have a loose image, 35/30 or something (always play crazy on Ongame 5max) with some insanely high 3bet% which I cannot remember.

History
Hand 1: he oR/call3bet OOP with AJ, c/c, c/shove on Ace high board and stacked off to my AQ.

Hand 2: He had KK and check/called 3 streets on T78ss4s7 against my turn nut flush (A9s), losing 50BB

Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

Play hand

$1/$2 No-Limit Hold'em (4 handed)

Known players:
[tg]SB$195.30:///////;BB$219.95:///////;CO$639.60:///////;BU(Hero)$443.50:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is BU with Q:h, Q:s.
CO raises to $6.00, Hero calls $6.00, 2 folds.

Flop: ($15) T:h, A:h, 8:h (2 players)
CO bets $11.00, Hero calls $11.00.

Turn: ($37) 5:h (2 players)
CO bets $30.00, Hero calls $30.00.

River: ($97) 3:d (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $33.00, CO raises to $155.00, Hero calls $122.00.

Final Pot: $407.

Results follow:

CO shows a flush, ace high(Kd Kh).
Hero shows a flush, ace high(Qh Qs).

CO wins with a flush, ace high(Kd Kh).

I was hoping to get value from a smaller heart and he check/raised the river. From my experience at low stakes, the check/raise on the river is never a bluff. But at the same time, I didn't really get why he would check/raise the river instead of value bet with a K of heart so I called. Any idea?

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3 replies

caltabiano

Joined: 09.03.2007

Posts: 1,950

18.01.2010, 03:32 0

Is there a reason for not 3betting pre? It seems like a must considering how deep you are.

The is hand is pretty interesting.

When he bets turn and you call, he can expect you to have a heart pretty much always. If he plans to c/r the river with the K :heart:, he obviously expects you to bet the river, but the only hand that does that other than the K :heart: is the Q :heart:.

If you consider your flop and turn calling range, it's gonna be mainly composed of Q :heart:x or J :heart:x. So if he can squeeze in that extra value against your Q :heart:, I think it's actually more profitable than just betting, because there should be about the same number of combos of J's and Q's in your range.

Besides, he's gotta be afraid you have the K :heart:, because you're also just calling that on turn right? So, a bluff here should be semi-suicidal IMO. Your range is usually nuts or 2nd nuts. Of course the 2nd nuts is nothing more than a bluff catcher, but still, you still have the nuts 1/2 the time and he's gotta be pretty sure you're folding the Q :heart: in order to pull that off.

Another consideration is that if he wants to bluff I think he just barrels river, because you're checking it back so often that it doesn't make much sense to plan a c/r when you're likely not betting.

So I say he's not bluffing in this spot if he's not too crazy. I'll check the results now and see if I'm right ♦

mbml

Joined: 27.11.2008

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18.01.2010, 09:35 0

guy behind had 15% 3bet stats so I was trying to induce a squeeze.

I guess you are more or less right, I think given the metagame he wouldnt try to bluff me out with a river checkraise (and I also havent seen a river checkraise bluff at NL200 from a TAG player before)

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TwiceT

Joined: 15.07.2007

Posts: 4,451

18.01.2010, 15:36 0

Originally posted by caltabiano
Is there a reason for not 3betting pre? It seems like a must considering how deep you are.

The is hand is pretty interesting.

When he bets turn and you call, he can expect you to have a heart pretty much always. If he plans to c/r the river with the K :heart:, he obviously expects you to bet the river, but the only hand that does that other than the K is the Q :heart:.

If you consider your flop and turn calling range, it's gonna be mainly composed of Q :heart:x or J :heart:x. So if he can squeeze in that extra value against your Q :heart:, I think it's actually more profitable than just betting, because there should be about the same number of combos of J's and Q's in your range.

Besides, he's gotta be afraid you have the K :heart:, because you're also just calling that on turn right? So, a bluff here should be semi-suicidal IMO. Your range is usually nuts or 2nd nuts. Of course the 2nd nuts is nothing more than a bluff catcher, but still, you still have the nuts 1/2 the time and he's gotta be pretty sure you're folding the Q in order to pull that off.

Another consideration is that if he wants to bluff I think he just barrels river, because you're checking it back so often that it doesn't make much sense to plan a c/r when you're likely not betting.

So I say he's not bluffing in this spot if he's not too crazy. I'll check the results now and see if I'm right ♦

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not much more to add imo. for me its a rly easy river fold. i would also play it like villain here. like it a lot. u vbet Qh and Jh yourself for sure. he is just losing very little value vs )h and 7h that check back, but that way he is able to stack Qh and Jh. pls fold next time sir.

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