[Closed] Slowplay, you pay!

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 11 Tournament, 100/200 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

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Button (t5455)
Hero (SB) (t11543)
BB (t8085)
UTG (t6019)
UTG+1 (t7450)
MP1 (t10430)
MP2 (t14814)
MP3 (t4799)
CO (t13030)

Hero's M: 38.48

Preflop: Hero is SB with 10, 10
UTG calls t200, 1 fold, MP1 bets t499, 3 folds, Button calls t499, Hero raises to t2148, 2 folds, MP1 calls t1649, Button calls t1649

Flop: (t6844) 9, 10, 4 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, Button bets t3307 (All-In), Hero calls t3307, 1 fold

Turn: (t13458) 6 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t13458) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: t13458
Main pot: t13458 between Button and Hero, won by Button

Results:
Button had 9, 8 (straight, ten high).
Hero had 10, 10 (three of a kind, tens).
Outcome: Button won t13458

TRUE! TRUE!

Hehe, we should stop play tens...

Hi budzior,

your "M" is just about 4 and so youre in Push- or Fold-Modus.
Against a very tight MP2 folding is an option, but normally his range is loose enough for pushing!
-->nh

@TheRebuz
In my opinion your Preflop-Reraise is not necessary (but possible).
Another option is the Preflop-Call, cause your stack is deep enough and if you hit a set or better, you have good chances of getting well payed.

As played I prefer the Flopbet, but vs. loose opponents your check/call is maybe even better!

i gues POKER STARS have something against slowplaying TT when u floped set . this is like 4 time this shit happens to me
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 3.3 Tournament, 25/50 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

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MP1 (t7645)
MP2 (t1250)
MP3 (t5570)
CO (t1725)
Button (t9600)
SB (t7850)
BB (t5765)
Hero (UTG) (t8125)
UTG+1 (t6675)

Hero's M: 108.33

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 10, 10
Hero bets t150, 2 folds, MP2 calls t150, 1 fold, CO calls t150, 2 folds, BB calls t100

Flop: (t625) 10, 3, 8 (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t200, MP2 calls t200, CO calls t200, BB raises to t700, Hero calls t500, MP2 calls t500, CO calls t500

Turn: (t3425) 6 (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t2550, MP2 calls t400 (All-In), CO calls t875 (All-In), 1 fold

River: (t5575) 9 (3 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: t5575
Main pot: t4625 between MP2, CO and Hero, won by MP2
Side pot 1: t950 between CO and Hero, won by Hero

Results:
Hero had 10, 10 (three of a kind, tens).
MP2 had 7, 8 (straight, ten high).
CO had 4, 3 (one pair, threes).
Outcome: Hero won t950, MP2 won t4625

i guess its 3,3r on stars (20:15)? i bet bigger, everyone is calling with everything...

TT (and JJ) never win on stars, its true

yea i know they call with evryting but i was hoping for a raise or shove on flop
and after BB raise i want to induce shove from other guys behind me or if they fold i can play vs bb who has nice stack

Originally posted by TheRebuz
yea i know they call with evryting but i was hoping for a raise or shove on flop
and after BB raise i want to induce shove from other guys behind me or if they fold i can play vs bb who has nice stack

Hi TheRebuz,

in my opinion your hopes doesnt have good chances.
First I think, your flopbet is absolutly correct, but to small.
Its not even 1/3 pot and so for value and protection aspects to small(for example a flushdraw can call +ev).

After this the BB does you the favor of checkraising, which is very good cause you got the chance of a further raise(but if he hasnt done the [unlikely] checkraise, MP2 and CO would have called very cheap).
And this chance you must seize!
MP2 and CO have already called, so its most likely that they do it again(in contrary, the line call/reraise is not likely).
So vor value aspects afresh raise is the best choice.
And also for protection the raise is the best decision.

So my commendation is:
Higher Flopbet.
Reraising again after BBs Checkraise.

imo
#1 i bet small on flop for bluff raise induce (if some have flush draw or over cards he will sure shove there it is a 3.3R on stars and there r lot of crazy people shoving lots of hands in the rebuy period)
#2 after BB raise -> look at the stack sizes
- MP2 if he just calls this he had to invested 2/3 of his stack so in any case with SPR he is better to shove if he is planing to stay in the hand and try to make CO fold and improving his EQ ->b/c he cant fold on turn in so big pot with
-same goes for CO he will invested more than 1/2 of his stack and he cant fold on turn too so he is better shoving if he want to stay in.
#3 if i reraise BB ch/r all will fold without strong hand/draw and only hands that can hurt mine hand are strong draws -> so imo if i reraise i'm making worse hand fold and isolating mine hand vs hands that have fair EQ to win (and btw all strong draws will raise or shove flop and they dont so they r screaming weaknes and i want them in)

it's a 3 dollar rebuy they'll stack off with anything, there's no need to trap which is a bad idea in such a drawy board 4 way!!!

btw I lol'd at "isolate yourself against hands with good equity" , even against J♣9♣ you have a 60/40. this is holdem there's no way TT on a Tc8c3 board is not well ahead.

Originally posted by alejandrosh
it's a 3 dollar rebuy they'll stack off with anything, there's no need to trap which is a bad idea in such a drawy board 4 way!!!

btw I lol'd at "isolate yourself against hands with good equity" , even against J♣9♣ you have a 60/40. this is holdem there's no way TT on a Tc8c3 board is not well ahead.

u dint get me (lost in translation)
- i know i'm big favorit to win vs nay hand and i know that they will stack with anything, and they will try to bluf at u at any opportunity u give them so i'm giving opportunity to bluf me
- i dont feel I need to protect mine hand vs anything (couse they will call or shove with any draw and + if they think ur weak they try to bluff u with weak hand and weak draws-> ex 2 overcards any pair) so i want them to get their stacks in and thats why i bet small on flop
when they just call i knew that they dont have shit and when bb check/raise i call to get them in(when they just call on flop i knew that they dont have much of a hand and i dont want to get them out), couse imo if some wants to call (MP or CO) he is investing too much of his stack (MP 2/3, CO 3/5) if he just calls and pot is getting huge so he cant fold on latter streets anyway just for the odds (with any hand couse this is cheap rebuy), so he is better shoving in
and when some1 shoves and BB calls im shoving over the top, that was mine plan.
and on turn is standard bet when bb checks couse no1 is going any were and i want them to put their money in

Hi again,

Originally posted by TheRebuz
- i dont feel I need to protect mine hand vs anything (couse they will call or shove with any draw and + if they think ur weak they try to bluff u with weak hand and weak draws-> ex 2 overcards any pair) so i want them to get their stacks in and thats why i bet small on flop

This is a not the correct way of thinking.
You should make a higher Flopbet not only for protection but also for value reasons!
Its like you just said:
They would only call or raise, when they have something and this call or raise would be more expensive, the higher your bet is.
So with a higher bet you normally geht more value and protect your hand better and thats the reason why its normally better than such a minbet!

Originally posted by Eisfuchs
Hi again,

Originally posted by TheRebuz
- i dont feel I need to protect mine hand vs anything (couse they will call or shove with any draw and + if they think ur weak they try to bluff u with weak hand and weak draws-> ex 2 overcards any pair) so i want them to get their stacks in and thats why i bet small on flop

This is a not the correct way of thinking.
You should make a higher Flopbet not only for protection but also for value reasons!
Its like you just said:
They would only call or raise, when they have something and this call or raise would be more expensive, the higher your bet is.
So with a higher bet you normally geht more value and protect your hand better and thats the reason why its normally better than such a minbet!

very true agree 100%
just 1 small thing when u make 1/3 pot bet u r more likely to induce bluff