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[Closed] QQ, mass tabler raises

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NL Holdem $30(BB) Replayer
SB ($1,470)
BB ($1,500)
UTG ($1,380)
UTG+1 ($1,500)
UTG+2 ($1,500)
MP1 ($1,500)
Hero ($1,665)
CO ($1,500)
BTN ($1,485)

Dealt to Hero Q♥ Q♦

UTG calls $30, fold, UTG+2 calls $30, MP1 raises to $165, Hero raises to $450, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG raises to $735, fold, MP1 raises to $1,500 (AI), fold, UTG calls $645 (AI)

MP1 is a mass tabler, so i think his raising range is tight, but QQ should still be doing ok against it. I think he should be playing like TT+ AQs+.

Would you just flat here, i always 3-bet my QQ but this guy might have a tighter range than most players, and my plan was always to 3-bet fold against him.

After we 3-bet, I am always going broke against the limp/4-bettor, he is a complete maniac. I think the 5-bet from the mass tabler should signal something like QQ+, i doubt if he will play AK here.


3 replies
arinho
Joined: 30.11.2007

I play it the same...

I always rather fold QQ and AK early if there is a lot of action


LgWz
Joined: 26.05.2007

I'd just shove at first. As played fold, this is QQ+ like always.


hazzelde
Joined: 27.04.2008

Why do you intentionally turn QQ into a bluff? You know that MP1 is super tight and you know that he will never flat call your 3bet. You could do this with 72o and expect a similar EV cuz it's unlikely anyone else gets into the hand. I'd call my entire range against these guys (apart from occasional bluff 3bets when they play to straight forward to figure out my ranges). Imagine you were him, you make his life so much easier by 3betting all your hands that it's sorta hard for him to do any mistakes, especially if you don't mix in tons of
bluff 3bets or something. If you call though, he will have way more troubles to figure out your range which you can take advantage of.