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[Closed] 11$r 75g on stars top 2 ugly spot on drawish flop

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TheRebuz
Joined: 12.10.2008

lets play it street by street

readless, got on this table ~ 1 orbit before this i played 1 hand only shove (11BB) with A3 from MP first in, guy who is now SB calls with TT all fold i hit A and double up

pre imo standard

FLOP obv we r not folding, raise or call

A) call? why?

what is our plan for turn?

1a) if brick hit 2-6 non :diamond: and is check to us? what if villain/s donk into us on turn?*
2a) if :diamond: hit if is check to us? if villain/s donk into us ?
3a) if 7,9,T,q,k,A hits if is check to us? if villain/s donk into us ?
4a) if j,8 hit if is check to us? if villain/s donk into us ?

*if villain/s donks into us on turn -> there are 4 situation
I)SB checks, BB bets, Hero??
II) SB bets, BB folds, Hero??
III) SB bets, BB calls, Hero??
III) SB bets, BB raise, Hero??

B) raise? how much? is shove too big?
*what is our plan if we raise 1 shove 1 fold ?
**What if we raise SB shove and BB call?
***What if we raise SB calls and then BB shove?
(call or fold)

What is our plan for turn if we raise and 1 villain or both call?

1b) if brick hit 2-6 non :diamond: and is check to us? what if villain/s donk into us on turn?*
2b) if :diamond: hit if is check to us? if villain/s donk into us ?
3b) if 7,9,T,q,k,A hits if is check to us? if villain/s donk into us ?
4b) if j,8 hit if is check to us? if villain/s donk into us ?

*if we raise and both villain/s call and then 1 of them donk into us on turn -> there are 3 situation (imo donk bet =AI, b/c after we raise we will have less then pot size bet behind when both villains call)
I)SB checks, BB AI, Hero??
II) SB AI, BB folds, Hero??
III) SB AI, BB calls, Hero??

- what if we raise 1 fold 1 call and on turn villain donks into us? imo we should call in 1b) & obv 4b), but what about 2b)& 3b) soul read ?(

PokerStars - $10+$1|150/300 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: 9,425.00
UTG+1: 18,455.00
MP: 4,100.00
MP+1: 11,230.00
LP: 7,950.00
CO: 19,839.00
Hero (BTN): 6,537.00
SB: 18,644.00
BB: 9,825.00

UTG posts ante 25.00, UTG+1 posts ante 25.00, MP posts ante 25.00, MP+1 posts ante 25.00, LP posts ante 25.00, CO posts ante 25.00, Hero posts ante 25.00, SB posts ante 25.00, BB posts ante 25.00, SB posts SB 150.00, BB posts BB 300.00

Pre Flop: (675.00) Hero has J♠ 8♠

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 789.00, SB calls 639.00, BB calls 489.00

Flop: (2592.00, 3 players) J♦ 7♦ 8♥
SB bets 300.00, BB calls 300.00, Hero ???????


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alejandrosh
Joined: 02.07.2008

sorry, I can't read through all the possibilities without making my head spin :f_o:

I'd raise big and stackoff on any non incredibly fugly turn (like T♦)


TheRebuz
Joined: 12.10.2008

Originally posted by alejandrosh
sorry, I can't read through all the possibilities without making my head spin :f_o:

I'd raise big and stackoff on any non incredibly fugly turn (like T♦)

how big is big?? pot is 3100 when it came to us we have like 5,8k behind.... shove?

if we raise and SB shove BB call or SB calls BB shoves r we folding


alejandrosh
Joined: 02.07.2008

I was thinking to raise 3k ... but forget it, if one of them calls the pot is around 9k and we have 2k left on the turn. shipping looks fine.


TheRebuz
Joined: 12.10.2008

PokerStars - $10+$1|150/300 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: 9,425.00
UTG+1: 18,455.00
MP: 4,100.00
MP+1: 11,230.00
LP: 7,950.00
CO: 19,839.00
Hero (BTN): 6,537.00
SB: 18,644.00
BB: 9,825.00

UTG posts ante 25.00, UTG+1 posts ante 25.00, MP posts ante 25.00, MP+1 posts ante 25.00, LP posts ante 25.00, CO posts ante 25.00, Hero posts ante 25.00, SB posts ante 25.00, BB posts ante 25.00, SB posts SB 150.00, BB posts BB 300.00

Pre Flop: (675.00) Hero has J♠ 8♠

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 789.00, SB calls 639.00, BB calls 489.00

Flop: (2592.00, 3 players) J♦ 7♦ 8♥
SB bets 300.00, BB calls 300.00, Hero raises to 1,600.00, SB calls 1,300.00, BB calls 1,300.00

Turn: (7392.00, 3 players) 4♥
SB checks, BB bets 4,200.00, Hero ??????

now what, what is BB range here?? :f_confused:

i agree shiping would be best in this spot but i run so bad last 3 months and was scared that BB or SB has t9 and raise with intention to fold if some1 ship (yesreally raise/ folding that bad i run)


alejandrosh
Joined: 02.07.2008

It doesn't make that much sence, I guess he could have J♥9♥ - J♥K♥ , maybe a 5♦ 6♦ , probably random crap so fist pump shove that turn all day long !

btw , raise/folding because you are running bad is pure tilt. I know what's it like (lol 6 months breakevenaments :f_mad: )


TheRebuz
Joined: 12.10.2008

Originally posted by alejandrosh
It doesn't make that much sence, I guess he could have J♥9♥ - J♥K♥ , maybe a 5♦ 6♦ , probably random crap so fist pump shove that turn all day long !yea i think that his range is AhJh, KhJh, QhJh, JhTh, Jh9h, 65s, i'm not expecting him to play sets/ 2 pairs/ T9 like that on flop last to act

btw , raise/folding because you are running bad is pure tilt. I know what's it like (lol 6 months breakevenaments :f_mad: )yea true, folding sucks but i have feeling that, villains always had me crushed or hitting miracle 3 outs or some combo 4 card str8/flush, i was actually not thinking to fold vs 1 player but if SB calls mine raise an BB shoves or if SB shoves and BB calls, mine plan was to fold

->PokerStars - $10+$1|150/300 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 9 players

UTG: 9,425.00
UTG+1: 18,455.00
MP: 4,100.00
MP+1: 11,230.00
LP: 7,950.00
CO: 19,839.00
Hero (BTN): 6,537.00
SB: 18,644.00
BB: 9,825.00

UTG posts ante 25.00, UTG+1 posts ante 25.00, MP posts ante 25.00, MP+1 posts ante 25.00, LP posts ante 25.00, CO posts ante 25.00, Hero posts ante 25.00, SB posts ante 25.00, BB posts ante 25.00, SB posts SB 150.00, BB posts BB 300.00

Pre Flop: (675.00) Hero has Js 8s

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 789.00, SB calls 639.00, BB calls 489.00

Flop: (2592.00, 3 players) Jd 7d 8h
SB bets 300.00, BB calls 300.00, Hero raises to 1,600.00, SB calls 1,300.00, BB calls 1,300.00

Turn: (7392.00, 3 players) 4h
SB checks, BB bets 4,200.00, Hero calls 4,123.00 and is all-in, fold

River: (15638.00, 2 players) 6h

BB shows 8d 8c (Three of a Kind, Eights)
Hero shows Js 8s (Two Pair, Jacks and Eights)
BB wins 15,638.00



TheRebuz
Joined: 12.10.2008

who play it worse :f_ugly:


Albeback
Joined: 02.03.2009

I think folding the flop is out of the question. I like raising as there a million draws possible there and you against SB and BB so the flop hits their ranges. I believe it is very strange the way it goes with both of them calling and I might be suspicious about one of them slowplaying but with top 2 I can't see my self folding. The turn completes only 1 draw so it can be considered a pretty safe card so I would go broke here. I guess they would at least have a big draw but the pot is just big to fold now.


larseda
Joined: 06.08.2006

I like the way u played the hand
and I gone call the turn

I am not sure its better to small raise the flop or to push
some fishs call any shit on flop vs a small raise ... other make herocalls against a push
so small raise or push is possible ... depends on villians

@rebuz
if u like to analyse detailed postflop lines ... search for pokerazor on 2+2 ... nice prog for this