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RRKKRR
Joined: 06.07.2012

PKR, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
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BB: $100 (100 bb)
MP: $126.73 (126.7 bb)
CO: $141.25 (141.3 bb)
BTN: $103.20 (103.2 bb)
Hero (SB): $158.90 (158.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A A
3 folds, Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6) Q 7 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $4, BB calls $4

Turn: ($14) J (2 players)
Hero bets $9.33, BB calls $9.33

River: ($32.66) A (2 players)
Hero bets $26, BB raises to $83.67 and is all-in, Hero calls $57.67

Results:

Spoiler

$200 pot ($3 rake)
Final Board: Q 7 2 J A
BB showed T K and won $197 ($97 net)
Hero showed A A and lost (-$100 net)

Do you call this?Just 300h on him hes playing 20/16 5.3% 3bet


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lnternet
Joined: 19.06.2012

pre and flop standard

Turn is a check. Pretty much all hands that call a turn bet will bet themselves, and he will also bet hands which fold to a turn bet sometimes. Unless you play against someone who calls 2barrels (or raises with 7x/2x), checking turn is way better than betting.

River bet is good.

When he jams he reps KThh and some very thin value with A7dd and rarely 22/77. As a bluff anything is possible really, Qx, 7x, hh. Snap call of course, a hand like AT would be a bit closer, but would still think he has so few value hands that he is likely bluffing too much, so that even AT calls here.


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axelphoney
Joined: 03.10.2009

About checking OTT here:

9x or lower would be more of a bet right, since it is not as much of a scare card as the jack?

Are you also checking AA without the heart? If so I assume we are checking a somewhat large part of our value range. Wouldn't that be a bit of problematic for our betting range?

Or are you just more advocating checking hands with good blockers for the flush (like AxAh here and KxKh,AhQx etc..) which can comfortably call even if the flush gets there OTR?

I could definitely see good exploitative arguments for checking a lot here with a strong range, but if we want to have a somewhat balanced betting range here I think we need to bet a relatively wide range for value too since we will arrive at this turncards with a number of good draws to bluff with. What's your take on that?

You could also obv just develop a wide c/r and c/c range, but not sure how good that would be when we have so many draws in our range (which at least I would think mostly works better as bets). Thoughts?

If we do wanna have c/r range here, maybe something along the lines of: KK-AA(w/o a heart), 77,22, QJs and then add an equal amount of bluffs for balance?

Find this spot a bit interesting since I intuitively just bet most of my value range here without much hesitation so would be nice to hear how you tend to construct your ranges in this spot.


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lnternet
Joined: 19.06.2012

I'm not gonna write out a full strategy here, but let me put some cut offs:

checking KK AA is standard
checking AQ KQ is possible but slight explo adjustment
checking QT Q9 is usually bad

of course you can't 2barrel as many draws as you can when you bet all strong hands, but therefore you can check raise bluff some draws, which in total is much better

which draws to put into which range is not super easy to work out

one small thing at the end, I don't think about Ah/no Ah here at all, funny that this is your first thought. To me AA is a very clear turn check, suits don't matter too much, although no Ah is better for checking.


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RRKKRR
Joined: 06.07.2012

Ok check turn but what line is better c/r or c/c and if just call,is river a call aswell on most cards?


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dooleslovs
Joined: 17.02.2011

I vould try to guess it's ch/r he will call with qx and stronger draws. I vould push on blank rivers vs qx. And ch/f on draw completing ones. He most likely will not turn qx into bluff.


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RRKKRR
Joined: 06.07.2012

Thanks guys


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pleno1
Joined: 19.11.2010

I like to bet to induce in these spots somewhere round 16-19 otr.

Also like turn check for the reasons lnternet stated. Vs less than 50% turn size I would think about raising.


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RRKKRR
Joined: 06.07.2012

Thanks


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