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frzl
Joined: 25.04.2006

1)

Cryptologic
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) frzl is CO with A :heart: K :heart:
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, frzl raises, Button 3-bets, 3 folds, frzl caps, Button calls.

Flop: 7 :heart: 5 :heart: 4 :spade: (10.5SB, 2 players)
frzl bets, Button raises, frzl calls.

Turn: 6 :spade: (7.25BB, 2 players)
frzl checks, Button bets, frzl calls.

River: A :club: (9.25BB, 2 players)
frzl bets, Button folds.
Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to frzl.

Results:
Final pot: 9.25BB

don´t know what i did here. can´t remember the hand and i made no notes.
3-bet flop, bet turn right ? donk river or check/call for bluff induce ?

//edit: whoops didn´t notice the preflop action. maybe then a passive line is better ? and i think the river donk is good then

2)

Cryptologic
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) frzl is BB with 7 :diamond: 7 :spade:
2 folds, CO raises, 2 folds, frzl 3-bets, CO calls.

Flop: 6 :spade: 8 :diamond: 5 :heart: (4.5SB, 2 players)
frzl bets, CO calls.

Turn: J :spade: (3.25BB, 2 players)
frzl bets, CO calls.

River: 3 :spade: (5.25BB, 2 players)
frzl checks, CO bets, frzl ???

Results:
Final pot: 7.25BB

22/12/1.6/31

looks like ui overcards doesn´t it ?

3)

Cryptologic
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) frzl is SB with Q :spade: 2 :spade:
4 folds, frzl raises, BB calls.

Flop: 4 :club: 3 :heart: 9 :heart: (3SB, 2 players)
frzl bets, BB calls.

Turn: 2 :club: (2.5BB, 2 players)
frzl bets, BB calls.

River: 9 :spade: (4.5BB, 2 players)
frzl checks, BB checks.

Results:
Final pot: 4.5BB

20/14/1.6/35

ok ?
call if he bluffs/bets the river ? i can beat a busted flush draw and A high but i´m not sure here


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1) I like it.

2 and 3) These are hands were im leaking alot. Hands like #2 always happen to me 2. I check the river and he (probally) bluff bets and im not sure i have to call. This happens alot with my low pocket pairs and my big overcards (AK etc). Its always bet flop bet turn and check river if i dont hit. And alot off times villian will bet the river after my check and i fold. How can i improve my play here?


Berliner1982
Joined: 12.07.2006

Hand 1.)
BB can 3-bet here from Pocket 88+, AK, AQ, AJ, KQ.
At the flop you have a big draw and have often 12 Outs or more (9 Outs for Flush and 3-6 Outs for your Overcards), so I would either way 3-bet flop, bet turn, or checkraise the Turn, to get Value the pot. On both lines you have Fold Equity.

Like played I would check/raise if I´m pretty sure that BB will bet, otherwise I would play Bet/Call.

Hand 2.)
I would play check/raise Turn or like played Bet/Fold River.

Hand 3.)
Bet/Fold or Bet/Call (2nd line for Bluff Induce). I would prefer Bet/Fold here, cause the BB unlikely will held a Pocketpair (cause he would had 3-bet in most of the times), so that I see a thin Valuebet here at the River, cause A-high often enough will call you.


1) Without the preflop action the 3-bet is better. But here I like the way you played it.

2) Hmm yes looks like overcards ui. But I bet the river and fold to a raise. (only if he doesn't bluff raise)
I doubt that he will beet worse hands if you check but he will bet better hands for sure and you have to call here very often.

3) I like the check/call t the river here. Flop and turn is you plan to bet/fold, correct? :)

EDIT:

@ Berliner:

1) Maybe ther eis value at the flp but is really trhin and not worth it if he caps. I like a call more to check/raise the turn improved. The turn check/raise has no value but maybe fold equity (not vs overpairs and most overcards because of the size of the pot)

2) What sense makes check/raise turn at 2)? I doubt that this is +EV at these limits.

3) Most of the times he has a fd here (if we are ahead) and so I like a check/call more than bet/fold or even bet/call. (against unknown)


Berliner1982
Joined: 12.07.2006

@ciRith

Hand 2.)
According to the stats of CO, I would say he is a PS.cc Tag, so he very often will bluff bet the Turn with Overcards, cause often he interprets our check on the Turn as weakness. So Overcards he will fold here on the Turn. But thats my experiences from the hands I played myself. Maybe your line is still better.

Hand 3.)
Maybe I watched to much Stoxtrader Videos? Cause I also like to make thin Valuebets. *g*


Lol there are stats.

2) Hmm 22/12 is not very much a TAG for me. More like a tight passive guy. And I fear a check behind to much vs these guys. (vs TAGs I like you lne but good TAGs know that too and often use the call at the flop a for a freecard. (which wwon't hurt us that much here anyway ^^)

3) I like thin valuebets too and I thought about it.

Check/call:
He will check behind any A-high and bet better hands for value and busted fds too.

Bet/call or fold:
He will call A-high+, a 3 or 4, fold or raise a busted flush draw.

Really close decision. :/


Berliner1982
Joined: 12.07.2006

I guess you play higher limits then me (I only have swings on my home limit, but know I would beat the limits), so maybe your lines are better. *g*

I will evaluate hands here as well in the future, if its ok for you? *g*


Of course that's ok. :)

I like to rethink my answer and find mistakes. :)


Berliner1982
Joined: 12.07.2006

I bet I make mistakes as well, so its good to see that we can discuss hands. I also practice my english. *g* And for all the players here, they get a good hand analysis discussion from us. *smile*

Aren´t you also active on the german forum site? What limits to you play, maybe you can look me over my shoulder, cause I´m pretty sure I have still leaks as well.


Yes I'm a german mod but I like to improve my rnglish skills here aswell. ;)

I play 5/10$ SH. (not winning yet)
But just started to play on Titan because of the nice promotin. I start again at 2/4$ and go up as fast as possible. ;)


Berliner1982
Joined: 12.07.2006

I only play 0.50/1 FL SH (and NL $100 SSS) since I finally only got time now to play. After 10k hands I´m again 100 BB down, after I had 100 BB swings before. When I analyse my hands I see that most of the times I get beat by hands who should have easy fold preflop. *g*
So I will be patient since 10k hands tell me nothing. ^^ Sometimes I think that I play over my limit, because moves I already play who would work at 3/6 up will not work on my limit. *g*


frzl
Joined: 25.04.2006

thank you guys. i mostly never like check/raising the turn heads up especially when my reads aren´t too good (don´t have many hands from these players. should have mentioned this :))

3) cirith: yes my plan was to bet/fold

I will evaluate hands here as well in the future, if its ok for you? *g*

oh no. another whippersnapper who is correcting me all the time :P


Berliner1982
Joined: 12.07.2006

Originally posted by frzl
oh no. another whippersnapper who is correcting me all the time :P

I honestly do not know what a "whippersnapper" is, but my goal is it to discuss hand, not to correct somebody on purpose. ;)


frzl
Joined: 25.04.2006

whippersnapper = klugscheisser :)


Berliner1982
Joined: 12.07.2006