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Gonchan
Joined: 14.06.2011

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $8.70 (87 bb)
BB: $10.36 (103.6 bb)
UTG+1: $10 (100 bb)
UTG+2: $13.21 (132.1 bb)
MP1: $15.04 (150.4 bb)
MP2: $17.99 (179.9 bb)
MP3: $9.20 (92 bb)
Hero (CO): $10.19 (101.9 bb)
BTN: $11.44 (114.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 5 5
UTG+1 raises to $0.30, 3 folds, MP3 calls $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, 2 folds, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($1.25) 4 T 5 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets $0.83, BB calls $0.83, UTG+1 folds, MP3 calls $0.83

Turn: ($3.74) Q (3 players)
BB checks, MP3 checks, Hero checks

River: ($3.74) 8 (3 players)
BB checks, MP3 bets $1.80, 2 folds

Results:

Spoiler

$3.74 pot ($0.17 rake)
Final Board: 4 T 5 Q 8
BB mucked and lost (-$1.13 net)
MP3 mucked and won $3.57 ($2.44 net)
Hero mucked 5 5 and lost (-$1.13 net)

BB 25/18/123 MP 20/10/21
flop I shouldve bet larger cuz multiway

turn I dont think both guy has decent made hand( which should shove flop) and no fd 3way so I checkbacked for redraw

river I dont think MP bluff bet here so I simply fold.

what do you think this play?


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xenomorphic
Joined: 29.12.2010

Feels a bit weaktight to me, at least bluffcatch river if not valuebet turn... You can't just put someone on QQ and a flush imo. They have to have worse hands here sometimes.

You have really underrepped your hand i think by checking back turn, you might even induce some lighter vlauebets on the river. Just valuebet turn - your redraw is essentially worthless (you draw to a very weak bluffcatcher, assuming you're talking about diamonds?) and the guy bet less than half pot! If you want to check back the turn I feel like you must call most rivers, if you don't want to do that then I think you have to bet the turn. And I think betting turn is best.


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Gonchan
Joined: 14.06.2011

do you think BB and MP called with non fd hand?
I never care QQ( it should be flop shove) but there were too many fd

although MP's bet size is bit small so I can call if MP had 25% bluff range, what hand did he bluff with? OESD comp flash comp, other decent made hand(like AT non shove flop) should bet here?


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by DrDunne
Feels a bit weaktight to me, at least bluffcatch river if not valuebet turn... You can't just put someone on QQ and a flush imo. They have to have worse hands here sometimes.

You have really underrepped your hand i think by checking back turn, you might even induce some lighter vlauebets on the river. Just valuebet turn - your redraw is essentially worthless (you draw to a very weak bluffcatcher, assuming you're talking about diamonds?) and the guy bet less than half pot! If you want to check back the turn I feel like you must call most rivers, if you don't want to do that then I think you have to bet the turn. And I think betting turn is best.

Dr,
I think this is valud if we were HU. As we are mw I am not so sure about the turn bet.


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Castle93
Joined: 06.06.2011

Honestly unsure whether you should be the turn but as played call the river. With that action he could easily be value betting worse.


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xenomorphic
Joined: 29.12.2010

Sure I guess I didn't consider this enough since only the callers are in the pot, so obv more speculative hands. But still, I stand by the river call. Of course we will run into a flush a decent amount of the time but that's fine, we only need to win this 25% of the time to break even. I think for betting this sizing it is veery possible he has worse hands.


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It's a call otr, because he can have 2 pair like QT/45, or floated the flop with Qx and now hits.


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Gonchan
Joined: 14.06.2011

I see, QT or some value hand( which I beat) bet river, it should be 25%or more.

K, I gonna call next time,

How about turn check back? I think itsfine this rate(1 of them often have flash and I cant peel value from weaker made hand often, so If I turn barrel, I have to barrel river for bluff out weak flash but I dont think standard villain wont fold his flash)


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

I would definitely bet/fold the turn. We still have some value there and I wouldn't put them exclusivelly on the flush every time just because flushes are possible.


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