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chriskwns
Joined: 07.10.2012

SB is 4 tabling unk
Do you think I can expect a weaker hand to be played that way, sets/2pairs would rather try to go allin on the flop, 4 on the turn is total brick so what he might be willing to go allin with on that turn after just calling the flop ?

Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2907119
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BTN: $5.00
SB: $5.00
BB: $2.24
UTG: $6.75
MP: $10.49
Hero (CO): $5.00

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is CO with 7 :diamond: 5 :diamond:
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.13, 1 fold, SB calls $0.11, BB calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.39) K :diamond: 8 :diamond: 9 :diamond: (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.10, Hero raises to $0.48, SB calls $0.48, BB folds

Turn: ($1.45) 4 :club: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.18, SB raises to $4.39 all in, Hero calls $3.21 all in

River: ($10.23) Q :club: (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $10.23
SB shows J :diamond: Q :diamond: (a flush, King high)
Hero shows 7 :diamond: 5 :diamond: (a flush, King high - lower cards)
SB wins $9.81
(Rake: $0.42)


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Whether he he is going broke OTF with sets is villain dependent imo, not all will re-raise on this flop. But I'm sure that sets would not play turn like that and since you show some strength I would not put much bluffs in villains range. Flush makes the most sense and since yours it quite low I think it would be ok to fold.

I would be more willing to go broke if
1. villain would have shoved OTF
and/or
2. villain is a fish.

BTW:
You could remove the results or put them into a spoiler. That way you can guarantee that you won't get result oriented opinions :f_thumbsup:


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

To answer your question: No, there is hardly a weaker hand there...


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xdimax
Joined: 21.10.2007

Why do you think sets are never played on this turn like that? Hero showed aggression on flop so i can easyily slowplay my set of nines one more street. On turn Hero bets more than 80% of the pot. Assuming that there are strong draws, low sets and two pairs in his range, that he will hardly fold after his aggressive line, push with set of nines(for example) would be the best play for me there, inducing equity vs made draws on river or just shipping 100bb vs missed draws or lower sets.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Sets are not pushing the turn here.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Are you forgetting that flush beats set? On this board flush is possible, so if villain has a set he is going to go all-in OTF because OTF he has still some equity. We continue our aggression OTT and we still might have a flush, if villain has a set his equity just dropped to half of what it was OTF.
Do you now see why sets won't play like this? =)


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xdimax
Joined: 21.10.2007

Of course, flushes are always possible on the flop. But mostly it will be a draw or a lower set in CO's range. Pushing the turn with set we can represent a nut flush and can make all non-nut flushes fold to our push.... and if called we still have odds to improve our hand to a full house.


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xdimax
Joined: 21.10.2007

If we allways push on this turn with a nut flush, we should also balance our pushes with sets, because we will never get value out of turn pushes with flushes only.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Because of equity that should be done OTF. What you said would be true OTF but OTT it will be suicide. And when we raise OTF villain should be very careful on this flop with non-top-sets, and KK he would have 3bet pre so he doesn't have top set. By raising turn he will just isolate himself vs better hands.

Raising turn like this with sets is very bad.


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Tinsley15
Joined: 18.07.2013

i would be a bit more conservative pre as you are facing unknowns..for everything else i agree with comments above


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xdimax
Joined: 21.10.2007

Originally posted by la55i
Because of equity that should be done OTF. What you said would be true OTF but OTT it will be suicide. And when we raise OTF villain should be very careful on this flop with non-top-sets, and KK he would have 3bet pre so he doesn't have top set. By raising turn he will just isolate himself vs better hands.

Raising turn like this with sets is very bad.

What would be your line with a set on the turn on this particular board facing 80% bet from hero?


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Just call with a set.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by la55i
Because of equity that should be done OTF. What you said would be true OTF but OTT it will be suicide. And when we raise OTF villain should be very careful on this flop with non-top-sets, and KK he would have 3bet pre so he doesn't have top set. By raising turn he will just isolate himself vs better hands.

Raising turn like this with sets is very bad.

Raising sets here is burning money. We will face flushes only...


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I wouldn't be at this situation OTT.
OTT depends about villains range but I would say with this board and line his range would be very flush heavy and he still has KK. I would have 5-20% equity so seems like a fold.

What range would you give a player raising OTF and betting big OTT on this board?


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Just flushes.


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xdimax
Joined: 21.10.2007

BB bets 1/4 of the pot so the raising range of hero there is the bunch of two pairs like K9s, K8s , 89s, flush and straigt draws with all the combos of broadway cards with one diamond and a few sets and a few made flushes. SB calls on the flop, so hero can continue his line on the blank turn having bunch of draws. Having sets of nines there i would either fold on turn or push all in. Calling is not an option, because we are commited on the river. So fold or push? Folding every flush board with a set is really weak, but sometimes is ok if i have reads on hero that he is betting nuts everytime with 80% of the pot.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I'm not sure we are raising a donk on that board with 2 pair. Donking small multiway is a great way to induce raises. This looks like villain wants to pump the pot, doesn't want to risk us checking behind and doesn't want us to fold so he bets small. I wouldn't raise 2 pair here. Still if he has those, made flushes are a huge part of his range.


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xdimax
Joined: 21.10.2007

But the better line with set of nines or eights for me would be bet the turn if OOP and fold to raise instead of check/push


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by la55i
I'm not sure we are raising a donk on that board with 2 pair. Donking small multiway is a great way to induce raises. This looks like villain wants to pump the pot, doesn't want to risk us checking behind and doesn't want us to fold so he bets small. I wouldn't raise 2 pair here. Still if he has those, made flushes are a huge part of his range.

+1. Raising anything below sets is not good.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by xdimax
But the better line with set of nines or eights for me would be bet the turn if OOP and fold to raise instead of check/push

The best line is to see the river as cheap as possible.


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