Skip to forum
Notifications
Clear all

Bluffcatch or not

14 Posts
7 Users
0 Reactions
1,311 Views
vuciitis
Joined: 19.02.2011

Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players

Hero (BTN): $5.31
SB: $5.87
BB: $6.62
UTG: $5.09
MP: $5.19
CO: $7.10

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BTN with 7 :diamond: A :diamond:
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.10, SB calls $0.08, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.25) 8 :spade: J :heart: 9 :heart: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.15, SB calls $0.15

Turn: ($0.55) A :spade: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.40, SB calls $0.40

River: ($1.35) 2 :diamond: (2 players)
SB bets $0.65, Hero calls $0.65

So i wonder do we take our 3:1 on the river vs unknown. He is donking on a blank after all, so it smells like a pure value bet...


Reply
Quote
13 replies
nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I do not like the flop cbet. Board is we, practically no or very low FE and there are no cards that make us happy.

Do you have any stats on villain. vs unknown, I prefer to fold.


Reply
Quote
Super Moderator
VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

On that flop, we have no viable draw -- a T gives us a straight, but we hold the idiot end.
Our overcard is pretty much useless -- even if we hit all we have is TP weak kicker.

SB has value as nitrol points out.

I'm torn with the CBet -- I would likely CBet here as well, since if villain has no part of it, he has to let go.

The A is about the worst turn card even though it looks like the best. It just gets you dug in deeper with a weak holding. You lose to any better A.

So OTR you're facing:
:diamond: two pair
:diamond: set
:diamond: better A

Also, after calling two streets, this isn't the sort of board you can bluff successfully.

I'm outta there [1]

Best of luck,
VS

[1] Oh how I wish! I've trapped myself just like this countless times.
I'm guessing you posted this hand because you were beaten at showdown. To help keep us guessing make the last line look more like:
SB bets $0.65, Hero ???


Reply
Quote
nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

VorpalF2F,
If A is the worst turn card, we should not cbet flop... :)


Reply
Quote
Super Moderator
VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by nitrol
VorpalF2F,
If A is the worst turn card, we should not cbet flop... :)
You are probably right.

I'll stab at these though, because you quite often get folds.
When I don't I'm usually giving up. When the A comes OTT, we could check it down for showdown value, and maybe even call a small river bet. I don't have time right now to put this in Equilab.
What is your best guess as to villains range?

Maybe I should see if I can create a report for "CBet success on various flop textures"

All the best,
VS


Reply
Quote
Tomaloc
Joined: 17.01.2011

nah, def not cbetting this one, even as a microstakes exploit play. as played probably bet turn indeed, and river is sick but probably a fold, would consider bluff raising vs some opponents


Reply
Quote
Kalecia
Joined: 28.08.2015

even if u see villain folding a lot to cbets , your turn bet size is much too big I would even consider checking, but as it is micro 50% pot cbet is max on the turn, without stats I am calling river as played, people there are doing retarded plays there


Reply
Quote
vuciitis
Joined: 19.02.2011

interesting to see different approaches :)

if any one cares what he had:

Spoiler

8♥:7♥:


Reply
Quote
Tomaloc
Joined: 17.01.2011

Originally posted by Kalecia
even if u see villain folding a lot to cbets , your turn bet size is much too big I would even consider checking, but as it is micro 50% pot cbet is max on the turn, without stats I am calling river as played, people there are doing retarded plays there

if you decide to bet turn, larger size is good. too many pair+draw and random bs in his range


Reply
Quote
nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Yes, we should charge all draws and combos.


Reply
Quote
Kalecia
Joined: 28.08.2015

I still think 50% of the pot is enough of "value charging" with our hand. Only situation I am betting around the pot is when I know villain will is FISH, but without info I personally preffer to even slightly decrease winrate, but I think if we bet bigger J might fold and vs 50% he might call ;)


Reply
Quote
rompas
Joined: 12.02.2014

i would check flop, bet around 60% at turn and call river against most people, (if i dont have good notes that he suddenly value donkbet rivers) since the river card probably not improving his hand and if he had a stronger hand , at this limit he would be aggro at earlier streets i think


Reply
Quote
vuciitis
Joined: 19.02.2011

tnx for your toughts guys!


Reply
Quote
allinntopsad
Joined: 16.04.2010

better aces give you action on the river , your c-bet flop is change hand in bluff

more more more combos dominated you A8o/s + , top pairs + higher kicker , two pairs , no sets because no action on turn , board is action killer

donkbet>>>( fantastic sizing blockbet ) i think that villain keep better aces

sorry for my english


Reply
Quote