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COvsBTN - - > fold flush?

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modeob
Joined: 16.02.2008

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $9.31 (93.1 bb)
BB: $11.26 (112.6 bb)
UTG: $8.46 (84.6 bb)
MP: $13.64 (136.4 bb)
Hero (CO): $18.12 (181.2 bb)
BTN: $42 (420 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9♥: J♥:
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, SB folds, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.95) 9♠: Q♥: 5♣: (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.61, BTN calls $0.61, BB folds

Turn: ($2.17) 3♥: (2 players)
Hero bets $1, BTN calls $1

River: ($4.17) 5♥: (2 players)
Hero bets $1.90, BTN raises to $9.68, Hero ?

I play with a simple HUD VPIP/PFR/HANDS -> 13/0/29

What do you think is the best line in this spot?

Thank you!


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Oly0909
Joined: 08.06.2008

There’s only 1 combo of 99 and 1 combo of 55. Most people 3bet QQ, so most likely hand in my mind is JT. I would call but I’m NL2 player.


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marcvz
Joined: 03.04.2012

I fold but also nl2.
River is really underbluffed on NL2 and 99% the nuts.
When I started folding straights and flushes in exactly this spot with a paired board, my winrate went up a lot.

Maybe NL10 is different. So I'd like to read some opinions from players that play there to.


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Oly0909
Joined: 08.06.2008

Originally posted by marcvz
River is really underbluffed on NL2 and 99% the nuts.

Agree, I fold on NL2 as well. On NL10 I would also expect most players to raise sets on that turn.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Nasty spot for sure and I don't think I can fold this without reads he's doing this only with a FH.


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marcvz
Joined: 03.04.2012

Originally posted by SDK1987
Nasty spot for sure and I don't think I can fold this without reads he's doing this only with a FH.

Well, I guess he can show up with some A-high flushes as well? A2&A4 would be possible..

But the river shoves would be awful with those hands tho... Nuts or complete air I think.
I wouldn't take the risk in this case, not without reads.. That are a lot of hands you need to grind to make up for that call if he has it...


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Could be, but when you have a flush it's less likely someone else has a flush as well. Calling with a back door flush draw on the flop seems optimistic.


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marcvz
Joined: 03.04.2012

Float cbet with A high.. I do that quiet often to be honest.. Especially on a dryish flop with 1 facecard. (depending on fcbet% of course)
A lot of the time it checks down from there and you pick up the pot.
I can see myself calling the turn as well when you've the nut FD and gutshot..

River shove makes it weird tho...


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

Snap call. It is massively underbluffed, but if he has a higher flush it is just a cooler and I want to see.


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MyFloXyBabY
Joined: 15.02.2010

Well, for starter, cbetting midpair 3-way is quite optimistic. And your second barrel (also optimistic) isn't big enough.

Now OTR easy fold. Really. Please notice that you are deep and that a 13-0 guy (ok not many hands yet but let's say he won't be a lagtard on a real sample) won't have any bluff here (but could have pretty much all the nuts). Calling a J-high flush is just a big mistake you don't want to make at NL10.
We'd want him to have JTs and it's not possible. Can he really have 67s or 78s ? Not sure, but let's say yes to make it 2 single combos that we beat. We lose against everything else. Any full, any broadway flush etc..
Frankly I'm not even sure they do it with a K-high flush in this spot that deep in fact. That's how much we are screwed. When they shove deep at NL10, they have it.

(If hero called and villain ended up having a stupid bluff please show us to make me look like a fool but I'd be surprised.)


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Mozzek
Joined: 16.07.2016

If u wanna be cbetting with this sizing, j9 wont make it to fit in there (not even in hu imo). Turn sizing is very bad (prly the biggest mistake here). You should go polarized, overbet. Blocking 99 is pretty sweet... R sizing also too small imo, could have induced him, who knows...

Lastly its very important that u are deep and that makes the bet otf even worse. But im fish when it comes to deep stack game, so not sure bout it. Def would recommend not to play deep until you master ur 100bb game.


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modeob
Joined: 16.02.2008

I fold :f_love:


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