Desperate bluff on river line

Don't know what I would do in game. Cold 4bet is an option, I like it better than flatting.
If UTG or BTN jams, it becomes really close. Vs AK, QQ+ you have 36% equity. The pod odds would be somewhere around 40%, so I guess you need to fold, and this makes this a 4bet bluff.
According to GTO Wizard, this is a fold pre.

Originally posted by monteCarlol
Don't know what I would do in game. Cold 4bet is an option, I like it better than flatting.
If UTG or BTN jams, it becomes really close. Vs AK, QQ+ you have 36% equity. The pod odds would be somewhere around 40%, so I guess you need to fold, and this makes this a 4bet bluff.
According to GTO Wizard, this is a fold pre.

Yeah, I thought so during play.

Originally posted by monteCarlol
According to GTO Wizard, this is a fold pre.

this seems astonishing.
I really need to try to figure out what the GTO wizard is trying to accomplish by folding JJ in such a spot.
If nothing else, set-mining is worthwhile — hence the call.

Also — as played, I x/r that flop.

Originally posted by VorpalF2F

Originally posted by monteCarlol
According to GTO Wizard, this is a fold pre.

this seems astonishing.
I really need to try to figure out what the GTO wizard is trying to accomplish by folding JJ in such a spot.
If nothing else, set-mining is worthwhile — hence the call.

Calling is the worst of all options IMO because:
- Hard to realize equity OOP
- Not closing action because UTG still to act
- Rake

Nasty preflop spot. Open raiser being UTG could indeed make folding best. Having read on either opponents being loose obviously help though. I think one fine line is to not have any cold calling range here being OOP versus both villains.

Flop line seems weird as this is best combo to value x-r. River shove is fine.

I would never call you here as played, you're never bluffing 2x pot shove after cold calling 3bet.

Preflop: I play 4b or fold vs better opponents. They'll read you like a book if you cold call the 3bet and put you on 99-JJ, AQ and some AK/QQ. This means that they will never bluff you on certain board textures like 9-T-Q or 2-3-4.

Cold-calling the 3b is an option vs a looser bad 3bettor. I do it as an exploitative play where my JJ has like 60%+ equity vs the 3bettor's range but I don't want to 4bet and isolate myself vs stronger hands. I may fold JJ immediately vs a very passive player who rarely 3bets.

River: What hand could he hero-call you here with? KQ? That's pretty much the only hand. AK would bet the Turn usually. Does he have KT? Probably not too many of those.

You block JX which is his main category of hero-calling bluff catchers.

Anyway just raise flop, so many possible bad runouts for your hand and it is disastrous if it gets checked on the Turn as well.

Raise flop or bet the turn forsure. There are draws etc on the board

4B preflop, check rise flop. If the flop will be checked - lead turn If someone. ATs, AJs are out, AQs has 4 outs, AK could calls and you are better, it has only 2 outs. Hopfly T9 would be foldes preflop vs 4B, what BU could 3B.

If I would 4bet pre-flop you need to fold against a 5bet. Than you are the aggressor and than a Cbet would be standard on the flop.

As played I would check to the aggressor and raise for value and protection.

As played I would bet around half pot for value on the river.

Cheers,
SDK1987