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MJPerry
Joined: 03.10.2011

CO is a big ol' 56/32 fish. BTN is a decent but nitty 20/18 TAG.

IPoker, $0.05/$0.10, $0.02 ante No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $10.09 (100.9 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb)
UTG: $10.63 (106.3 bb)
Hero (MP): $10.97 (109.7 bb)
CO: $22.23 (222.3 bb)
BTN: $10.67 (106.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K J
UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.30, CO calls $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.17) 5 3 3 (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($1.17) 9 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.80, CO calls $0.80, BTN calls $0.80

River: ($3.57) T (3 players)
Hero ???

On the turn, I fire for protection and because I think when the flop checks through I can get a bet through. A hand like 77/66 or A5 is now going to be far less confident in making it to a showdown and I expect all unpaired Ax besides gutshots to fold. On the river, should I fire that second barrel? I wouldn't be surprised to be up against a range of 88-66, A4/A2, 5x, 64, 76, 87 etc. Of course I beat a lot of that range but I'd be annoyed if it checks through and I lose to 22. I don't expect to see monsters from either of them given the flop checks and turn flats plus the generally dry board.

I rep really thin on the river, but against their range I don't think I need to have a ton of strong value hands to get folds.


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livethelife7
Joined: 10.02.2009

There are a couple of things wrong about this hand:

1. Its not a default open. It can be if rest of table is tight to play with fish, but other than that it would be a muck.

1. Its not a protection bet. I think you should review that concept.

2. Your sizing mw is way to large. I think you could cbet the flop small like 0.50 but c/f is definitly fine. Don't like the turn bet as it does not get much folds. To fold weak pairs you have to overbet Inthink but that would be overplayed esp. oop.

My default line would be ch/f,ch/f and prob. Bluff river.


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Originally posted by livethelife7
1. Its not a default open. It can be if rest of table is tight to play with fish, but other than that it would be a muck.

You are a real NIT


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Lefty85
Joined: 08.06.2008

This is not a default open? K-Jo isn't even near the bottom of our opening range there, this is a table with ante's and we are on the HJ, we should be opening near 30% of our hands here and K-Jo is like a top 15% hand.


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MJPerry
Joined: 03.10.2011

I actually agree KJo is a table-dependent open.

Originally posted by Lefty85
This is not a default open? K-Jo isn't even near the bottom of our opening range there, this is a table with ante's and we are on the HJ, we should be opening near 30% of our hands here and K-Jo is like a top 15% hand.

One man's HJ is another man's UTG+1.


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VaskataBuci
Joined: 08.08.2011

I also prefer folding this hand preflop, especially with a fish behind. On those come outs I'm giving up the hand. Do not see what could be achieved in betting turn. Basically here you are trying to bluff 2 players, one of them fish, with a hand that has almost no chance to improve to some decent hand.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I think our decision whether to open this hand or not should be based on the squeeze activeness of the players behind. If they are passive nits I will be inclined to open it.
As for the postflop play we would not achieve much by betting into 2 players. Maybe sometimes we can fire the river if flop and turn are checked down.


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excitedpoker
Joined: 12.08.2010

It`s a fold more often than not without antes, here you can open it like always and it`s not close IMO.


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