GAZDE

First of all I have moved your hand to the hand discussion forum, because it’s fits better there.

I don’t think your line is bad. You could consider to check/raise the flop for value, but then you let him fold his weak hands. The turn I would make it around 60c and then you can shove the river.

Cheers,
SDK1987

GAZDE

I think you played the hand fine, this is just kinda unfortunate. Not check/raising the flop on this board is OK, it is fairly dry and lets you extract value from a wider range of hands. OTT the sizing is fine, sometimes I go a bit bigger if I know Villain likes to call wider. You are definitely not folding River, so overall I think well played.

As for whether a King continues if you raise the flop, it heavily depends on what info you have on Villain. A solid TAG should call once with something like AK and will probably fold to more aggression OTT if he sees that you are a solid player. But just calling the flop here is IMO better.

Check-raising flop or turn are both viable lines. What you need to do is to do the math: On turn, when you raise: Don't offer him adequate implied odds if you intent to call river raises. The pot size isn't shown, but your mistake (if any) is probably in sizing it too small. On the other hand, not every hand you face is a drawing hand; weakfish made hands won't call too big bets, and there is little to do about that. Sometimes you are doomed by the cards.

GAZDE

As you are multiway, you can even lead on flop.

GAZDE

Originally posted by AlexakaAce

Originally posted by YohanN7
Check-raising flop or turn are both viable lines. What you need to do is to do the math: On turn, when you raise: Don't offer him adequate implied odds if you intent to call river raises. The pot size isn't shown, but your mistake (if any) is probably in sizing it too small. On the other hand, not every hand you face is a drawing hand; weakfish made hands won't call too big bets, and there is little to do about that. Sometimes you are doomed by the cards.

Thanks, both of you!
In the hand, I almost considered the T♣: as a blank, I could really not see how that card could help him, after I check-raised him. But I should definitely think about the sizing next time - I just didn't want to scare him off a middle-strong :Kx:. How big do you think I can make it? This sizing I chose in this hand were around 3x his original bet (on the turn).. Maybe 5.5x?

The sizing should be a percentage of the pot with consideration to your remaining stacks and the board. An exact answer is hard to give. As you say, you don't want to scare off top pairs, but you don't want to give draws adequate implied odds. They are contradictory demands. I guess this is what I mean by "sometimes you are doomed".

I think 3x the original raise is a good general guideline for single raised pots (unless his bet was very small as compared to the pot size, then you want to go bigger). In 3-bet pots, you can generally go a bit smaller, say 2.2x - 2.5 the original raise. If you have some kind of info that Villain likes to call wide (a big gap between VPIP and PFR might be a decent indicator even if you don't have that many hands on Villain), you can make the raise bigger, at least that's what I am trying to follow. If you are both deep stacked, you obviously want to go bigger, because Villain gets great implied odds to call his draws with a big effective stack behind.

Optimal raise is a certain percentage of the pot, not his bet (which may itself be very small or very big in relation to the pot). Considerations are position, remaining stacks the board and holding. Trying to find a "magical number" for 2-bet pots, etc is wrong.