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Is this a stupid bluff?

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pdfbq
Joined: 23.05.2008

Hi, max buyin at this site is 50bb so thats why we're low.

I'm trying to add bluffs into my game so on the flop I decided to bluff a scary turn card.
When he called the turn I put him on something like TT and up. Thought I could get enough folds on the river....

Anyway.. Is this a believable bluff or is this just spewing chips?

$0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 39 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
BB: 40 BB (VPIP: 27.40, PFR: 19.57, 3Bet Preflop: 3.37, Hands: 289)
UTG: 97.5 BB (VPIP: 57.14, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
CO: 93.5 BB (VPIP: 24.59, PFR: 18.20, 3Bet Preflop: 9.49, Hands: 433)
Hero (BTN): 53.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q♠ J♠

fold, CO raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (7.5 BB, 2 players) 9♠ 7♥ 5♣
CO bets 4.5 BB, Hero calls 4.5 BB

Turn: (16.5 BB, 2 players) 4♥
CO checks, Hero bets 12 BB, CO calls 12 BB

River: (40.5 BB, 2 players) 3♥
CO checks, Hero bets 34 BB and is all-in, CO calls 34 BB

CO shows A♥ 5♥ (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 55%, Flop 72%, Turn 91%)
Hero shows Q♠ J♠ (High Card, Queen)
(Pre 45%, Flop 28%, Turn 9%)
CO wins 102 BB


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StruxXx
Joined: 18.12.2015

Turn card did not improve any of your equity so if I would floated there OTF I would probably check (except against players who have huge difference in CB flop vs CB turn). You have plenty of good rivers to pull a cheap bluff if you think you can make him fold.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

First of all I have moved your hand to our hand discussion board. There fits it better.
I’m no fan of bluffing on NL2 and I would most likely fold the flop already without more information of our CO player.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008

If you want to make a move, I'd do it OTF. The reason here is because we have 2 backdoors and we do not achieve much by just calling. We can stab once more OTT (we can do it with almost any card) and we give up river. It's a strategy but we need to think about our playability. That is, QJs would be quite a good hand for semi-bluffing but 65s wouldn't.


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Dadramel
Joined: 10.08.2014

Look at the board, none of the cards justify aggression here


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BingoWings
Joined: 14.04.2017

I agree with Hecticus this should go into our flop bluff range the flop hits your BTN calling range and you have 2 back door draws aswell as 2 decent overs.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Bluffs are best made with hands with outs, and (in my personal opinion) hands with little showdown value. For example, J♠:T♠: would be a nice hand to bluff with here. You must also be able to represent something when you bluff.

This actual hand is not optimal, but I can imagine worse bluffs. You will get a lot of folds, especially on the river - a pair must fold. This time you were unlucky in that he actually had what you tried to represent. (By the way, the turn card isn't very scary at all.)


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Originally posted by Hesticus
If you want to make a move, I'd do it OTF. The reason here is because we have 2 backdoors and we do not achieve much by just calling. We can stab once more OTT (we can do it with almost any card) and we give up river. It's a strategy but we need to think about our playability. That is, QJs would be quite a good hand for semi-bluffing but 65s wouldn't.

By comparison, floating accomplishes almost as much as a flop raise (the fear of future bets and the informational part; if he fires turn he's usually strong or is bluffing, not in between) - it is much cheaper and comes without commitment to fire turn.

But nothing is wrong with raising flop. You should do that on occasion if you raise with nuts.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

We can raise flop andvbe aggressive, but we should be very cautious on turn and should know when to stop.


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