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aleasy77
Joined: 03.03.2014

What You think about this hand? I decide go all in for rest stack on the turn. QQ/TT should 3bet preflop 22 fold preflop, 77 often not check-call here on the flop. But this is nl5 so maybe just fold after check-raise on the turn? Opponent is unknown.

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.02/$0.05 - 5 players
Replay this hand on Pokeit - https://pokeit.co/public/625htT9Bo/r

UTG: $0.68 (14 bb)
CO: $4.03 (81 bb)
BU (Hero): $6.56 (131 bb)
SB: $5.37 (107 bb)
BB: $6.08 (122 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BTN with K♣ K♠
UTG calls $0.05, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.20, SB calls $0.18, 2 players fold

Flop: ($0.50) 2♣ Q♣ T♥ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.32, SB calls $0.32

Turn: ($1.14) 7♦ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.70, SB raises to $2.69, Hero raises to $6.04 (all-in), SB calls $2.16 (all-in)

River: ($10.84) A♣ (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $10.84 (Rake: $1.02)

Spoiler

Showdown:
BU (Hero) shows K♣ K♠ (a pair of Kings)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 81%, Flop: 16%, Turn: 5%, River: 0%)

SB shows 2♥ 2♦ (three of a kind, Twos)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 19%, Flop: 84%, Turn: 95%, River: 100%)

SB wins $9.82


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regie
Joined: 06.03.2008

Unfortunate. Well played


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aleasy77
Joined: 03.03.2014

I think in this hand with what hands he can Play that? After line preflop and on the flop shouldn't be sets but on this limit everything possible and some ace high flush draw or combo draws. Can he bluffs here? After this hand I don't think so on this limit yeah people can play crazy but most of the times this line is very strony hands on microstakes. With this size raise on the tutn he commited with pot and I think call here is not the best option, every club, Ax for example are bad for me on the river.


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regie
Joined: 06.03.2008

People do stupid shit. Thats the reason we dont fold all the time against agression. AA is a huge holding. You dont block top pair. Stack off is the best play.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Pretty standard indeed. Off course villains raise on the turn is huge compare to the pot and is committed now.
Villain can easy call 22 for set value pre-flop and maybe villain over play top pair, but normally you don't beat any value hands that would play like this.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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aleasy77
Joined: 03.03.2014

For me only decision for call on SB when UTG who open limp calls too and must catch set on the flop. Standard 22 on SB after isolate is easy fold preflop.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Could be, but I'm not surprised if the SB defends with 22 for only 18c more for set value. Even if it's a bad move.
You both playing pretty deep for 107bb effective.


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aleasy77
Joined: 03.03.2014

I see sometimes people can cold call on SB pocket pairs 22-55 preflop.


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regie
Joined: 06.03.2008

Other reason is overfolding. Could be AA. Almost never fold top of your range. If You fold than what call?


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aleasy77
Joined: 03.03.2014

I think about that because too passive play more times playerpool in different side can call weak hands like ace or Jack high two or three streets but I don't see many bluffs from unknown opponents play this line typical. Still call sets, two pairs, combo draws I think is standard. In spots for example when I get set postflop very rarely opponents raise or re-raise with just top pair, overpair and draws.


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regie
Joined: 06.03.2008

Dont fold top of your range


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aleasy77
Joined: 03.03.2014

So I don't fold and lose. Nl5 is too weird limit. With top range lose or not get value.


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regie
Joined: 06.03.2008

Bet big when You have something. Thats micro Stakes strategy. Try to balance the hand sometimes. Use smaller sizing most of the time. Dont Worry about losing. At these Stakes even best players lose 10 buy in a day, Than You win it back plus extra profit. Where do You play?


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Gomez224
Joined: 24.03.2008

In my opinion, you need to start recognizing strong lines from strong players and facing them you need to fold more, otherwise you will stuck for a long time. This limit is easy, but you need to make some optimizations in your gameplay.

When I saw this line, I was sure in 90% that you were behind, and folding on the turn was the right play.


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aleasy77
Joined: 03.03.2014

And some example which I write many times:

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.02/$0.05 - 5 players
Replay this hand on Pokeit - https://pokeit.co/public/225hu9HMq/r

UTG: $6.78 (136 bb)
CO: $5.00 (100 bb)
BU (Hero): $5.64 (113 bb)
SB: $5.04 (101 bb)
BB: $8.41 (168 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BTN with A♠ Q♠
UTG raises to $0.10, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets to $0.40, SB calls $0.38, 2 players fold

Flop: ($0.95) 6♦ 2♦ J♣ (2 players)
SB bets $1, BU (Hero) folds

Total pot: $0.95 (Rake: $0.05)
SB wins $0.90

Too hard connect with board with AK/AQ in 3bet pots.
Some summary from today and thinks:

Session with 400 hands today and only one set (typical) and zero value postflop.
Zero connection with board with AK/AQ in 3bet pots (Typical too).

And bonus with AA from two last months (20k hands) only 3 times all in preflop.

So if many good players here, tell me how play and can win something when statistic is bad for me (less catch sets postflop, AK/AQ postflop catch top pair or better and more things). Key is small/medium pots too in longrun but with not many value hands can't have good enough strenght to contiune postflop. Statistic I try go better like VPIP and RFI I go from 14/12 to 18/15 and I think I break even or lose less in last times. I go with 3bet higher to from 6 to 7-8%.


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aleasy77
Joined: 03.03.2014

Originally posted by regie
Bet big when You have something. Thats micro Stakes strategy. Try to balance the hand sometimes. Use smaller sizing most of the time. Dont Worry about losing. At these Stakes even best players lose 10 buy in a day, Than You win it back plus extra profit. Where do You play?

What I write above I have no enough value hands and on boards are very wet with sets I get zero or only one call postflop most times. And see what write Gomez and what I think about to this is strong line from opponent on the turn! I try play with some advise here to get bets 1/3 pot in 3bet pot not work must return to strategy pot size bet on flop and on blank turn overbet all in with monster hands.


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aleasy77
Joined: 03.03.2014

Originally posted by Gomez224
In my opinion, you need to start recognizing strong lines from strong players and facing them you need to fold more, otherwise you will stuck for a long time. This limit is easy, but you need to make some optimizations in your gameplay.

When I saw this line, I was sure in 90% that you were behind, and folding on the turn was the right play.

For me is very hard this limit, maybe I am angry for bad runnouts and small value hands and try combine something when I shouldn't. And what I say too many players here write that must continue hands like here too in different spots and what? Not works, I lose with overpairs etc.


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regie
Joined: 06.03.2008

Try to balance your Velue hands. This is how to start bluffing

With strong hand Bet 2/3 pot most of the time

Cbet strategy is very important.
Try ro bluff catch with hands not have 3 street Velue

Decide on flop how much Velue have in your hand and recalculate later. Sometimes board change and became scarry


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CheesyEagl3
Joined: 21.07.2021

I'm gonna go against the majority here and say that it's an easy fold.

Out of curiosity I ran a range research for you. NL5 zoom player pool, raise vs turn cbet OOP -> 59% of the time they show up with two pairs or better. That's the reason why you're burning money in these spots even though people here say that "You can't fold an overpair here". As Gomez said, you simply have to learn to fold in obvious spots or you will be stuck at NL5 forever, and this is one of those spots. NL5 is the nittiest limit out there (we discussed it a few weeks ago) and there are many ridiculously underbluffed spots (triple barrel, river raise, turn raise...) where you simply have to overfold no matter what anyone says.

You know what, for the next week try to fold any one pair holding against a raise (not that it's the right strategy, just a very simplified one). You will be very surprised how much your winrate is gonna increase. Trust me.


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regie
Joined: 06.03.2008

The thing is, even nl1k does not fold the hand vs random player. Its harder to win money there still make money


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