KQ TP SBvsBB and flushy board

I call this one. Here's my thinking (correct me if I am wrong please), a OP would bet bigger for value protection from your pp and flush draws and maybe 56s. OTT 99 TT JJ QQ slows down as some of your floats now have a pair and it also removes Kx clubs from V range, but all V club draws Ax Qx Jx can keep betting. OTR V shouldn't have TT and the Th removes some of V heart flush combos. V can still have a heart flush or f/h. But I am very inclined to call here.

Originally posted by jiffybag
I call this one. Here's my thinking (correct me if I am wrong please), a OP would bet bigger for value protection from your pp and flush draws and maybe 56s. OTT 99 TT JJ QQ slows down as some of your floats now have a pair and it also removes Kx clubs from V range, but all V club draws Ax Qx Jx can keep betting. OTR V shouldn't have TT and the Th removes some of V heart flush combos. V can still have a heart flush or f/h. But I am very inclined to call here.

Flop, OP doesn't need to bet bigger, as it was 3betted pot. suiteds are a small part of my range and only 1/4 of them are :heart:. Villain will bet 100% of his range, this size on such flop. No info comes from the flop action.
Turn, is a different story. On that card, either villain bets 1/3 to keep me in (if he's holding AK:heart: ) or bets 2/3 to pot if he has a hand that doesn't want to see another :heart:. Simple FD should check behind here IP.
River, the T is a very scary card for any card that would've betted value until the river. Flushes would be a little more careful on extracting, because the board is doubled and hard to extract value. FH, after the PF only make sense with TT, as KK would've slowplayed it (at least betsize) OTT.
The only hands here that would shove, are hands that want me to fold, as i didn't show strong enough of a hand that would call him if he shoved and villain sees the as a scary card for me, as I didn't bet it.

I honestly think, in frequency, we should bluff catch this overbet OOP.

It looks like villain likes to 3bet a lot. I would consider to just complete and call a raise to keep the pot smaller out of position. Flop and turn play seems reasonable, but on the river I need some decent reads to call the river shove. It could be a bluff, but not sure he/she will do that enough to make this call profitable.

Cheers,
SDK1987

Flop, OP doesn't need to bet bigger, as it was 3betted pot. suiteds are a small part of my range and only 1/4 of them are . Villain will bet 100% of his range, this size on such flop. No info comes from the flop action.

I think I am still putting to much weight into a bet size being a sign of hand strength or weakness. I frequently play with players where the size of the bet tells me exactly their hand strength, its something I need to work on when playing in a different pool. I am also still struggling with my own bet sizing, when to bet small or when to bet big, like this flop, I would bet everything I am holding hp.

Originally posted by jiffybag

Flop, OP doesn't need to bet bigger, as it was 3betted pot. suiteds are a small part of my range and only 1/4 of them are . Villain will bet 100% of his range, this size on such flop. No info comes from the flop action.

I think I am still putting to much weight into a bet size being a sign of hand strength or weakness. I frequently play with players where the size of the bet tells me exactly their hand strength, its something I need to work on when playing in a different pool. I am also still struggling with my own bet sizing, when to bet small or when to bet big, like this flop, I would bet everything I am holding hp.

Going a little away from this specific hand, towards flop CBet...
I split the flops into 2 cathegories:

Equalizer flop - flops that take off the "nutiness" AA, KK, QQ, AK, AQ, either by having strong connections (e.g. T97 flop) or by being monotone
Non equalizer flop - flops that keep the strong PF range stronger than most of the possible holds (e.g A92 rainbow, or 332)

Now, in an equalizer flop, my approach is to CBet only strong draws and strong holds. E.G. in a K♥ T♠ 9♥ flop, I am not likely to bet AQ:club:, but I will bet AKo. Ofc, when I cbet AKo, I don't want villain to have odds for calling with FD, so I bet large with a strong(ish) hold, as I would with TT, KK. If, in that same flop, I have nutFD, I bet the same size (in frequency). Basically, let's say I bet such flop 1/2 the times, and I bet it 2/3pot or 3/4pot. The main idea is that I am strong and if villain wants to come along, he needs to pay for it.

In a non equalizer flop, PF ranges keep their strength. This means that if villain had a hand strong enough to call, but not strong enough to raise, I am likely ahead (uncapped vs capped range) and I want him to continue paying, with a diminished (and diminishing) equity, thus I bet small, but very often, as my range is very often ahead. Let's say in an A62 flop, if I am the OR, there's a lot more strong Ax in my range than on villains (it doesn't mean I have it, I may be holding TT, but AQ is highly frequent in my range). Same way, in a 662 flop, I have more medium to high pocket pairs in my uncapped range than villain. This means I will bet such flops with high frequency even if I have nothing to do with such flop. As I bet it frequently, I bet it lower, often 1/3 pot

Look at it as a balance where you put frequency and size and try to keep an equilibrium: Less frequent textures you Cbet, higher Cbet. More frequent Cbet texture, lower betsize.
Then, I also aplly this for "reg" opponents. If villain is somewhat regular, he'd do similar betting patterns. The final thought is to try find discrepancies in villain betting patterns and conflicts. Going back to this hand, there was a conflict between his turn and rever bets, as almos all his turn holds would've lost a lot of value in river.

Originally posted by yangmartins

Originally posted by jiffybag

Flop, OP doesn't need to bet bigger, as it was 3betted pot. suiteds are a small part of my range and only 1/4 of them are . Villain will bet 100% of his range, this size on such flop. No info comes from the flop action.

I think I am still putting to much weight into a bet size being a sign of hand strength or weakness. I frequently play with players where the size of the bet tells me exactly their hand strength, its something I need to work on when playing in a different pool. I am also still struggling with my own bet sizing, when to bet small or when to bet big, like this flop, I would bet everything I am holding hp.

Going a little away from this specific hand, towards flop CBet...
I split the flops into 2 cathegories:

Equalizer flop - flops that take off the "nutiness" AA, KK, QQ, AK, AQ, either by having strong connections (e.g. T97 flop) or by being monotone
Non equalizer flop - flops that keep the strong PF range stronger than most of the possible holds (e.g A92 rainbow, or 332)

Now, in an equalizer flop, my approach is to CBet only strong draws and strong holds. E.G. in a K♥ T♠ 9♥ flop, I am not likely to bet AQ:club:, but I will bet AKo. Ofc, when I cbet AKo, I don't want villain to have odds for calling with FD, so I bet large with a strong(ish) hold, as I would with TT, KK. If, in that same flop, I have nutFD, I bet the same size (in frequency). Basically, let's say I bet such flop 1/2 the times, and I bet it 2/3pot or 3/4pot. The main idea is that I am strong and if villain wants to come along, he needs to pay for it.

In a non equalizer flop, PF ranges keep their strength. This means that if villain had a hand strong enough to call, but not strong enough to raise, I am likely ahead (uncapped vs capped range) and I want him to continue paying, with a diminished (and diminishing) equity, thus I bet small, but very often, as my range is very often ahead. Let's say in an A62 flop, if I am the OR, there's a lot more strong Ax in my range than on villains (it doesn't mean I have it, I may be holding TT, but AQ is highly frequent in my range). Same way, in a 662 flop, I have more medium to high pocket pairs in my uncapped range than villain. This means I will bet such flops with high frequency even if I have nothing to do with such flop. As I bet it frequently, I bet it lower, often 1/3 pot

Look at it as a balance where you put frequency and size and try to keep an equilibrium: Less frequent textures you Cbet, higher Cbet. More frequent Cbet texture, lower betsize.
Then, I also aplly this for "reg" opponents. If villain is somewhat regular, he'd do similar betting patterns. The final thought is to try find discrepancies in villain betting patterns and conflicts. Going back to this hand, there was a conflict between his turn and rever bets, as almos all his turn holds would've lost a lot of value in river.

Thanks again for such a detailed reply, I saved this, going to have to read it a few times before it sinks in fully