lost with 99´s

You can call and make a note.

Hard to say. Depends on the villain I guess. In general it's not a good spot for him to bluff, but sometimes you see people doing it. Calling should have the same EV as folding I would say

Ok, thanks.

I think sometimes villain could be stabbing with air because we check turn and river but this often is a valuebet with overpair or 6x. We don't beat any overpairs. I think both folding and calling are ok.

I have seen them stab with Ax here trying to push me off.

Yes, the situational read (turn check-behind and brick river, reasonable odds) turns this into a call. Even if you would be terribly wrong for some reason (in a similar situation), it can't be a big mistake because the pot is so small. The note you get can make up for it in the future.

I kind of like villain's line here as well. Hero's range can be strong here. What would villain's VBF (very best fold) be here if we would raise OTR?

Seems pretty unlikely that villain is bluffing here. Ax usually checks back the river because he has showdown value and I think some random Kd/Qd hands (like KQ or QJ) usually bet the turn some % of the time. You might see something like a pocket pair turned bluff, like 55.

As played, this probably isn't a bad spot to turn your hand into a bluff on the river. Check/raising all in could be interesting.

will try with reraise on flop. Just to see how good are my 99, and if villian calls check/call after turn and river, or ih he raise instant fold.

Originally posted by profimaximus
will try with reraise on flop. Just to see how good are my 99, and if villian calls check/call after turn and river, or ih he raise instant fold.

Nooooo, don't raise OTF. You can't raise just to get information. That info is way too expensive

Originally posted by la55i

Originally posted by profimaximus
will try with reraise on flop. Just to see how good are my 99, and if villian calls check/call after turn and river, or ih he raise instant fold.

Nooooo, don't raise OTF. You can't raise just to get information. That info is way too expensive
Right. Disabuse yourself from the line of thought all together by thinking through what you will actually achieve with a raise versus different holdings on part of villain.

I ment to raise just to get info. small raise after flop, cause if I only call, I don't know where I am, like in the swampyking situation. All hand he didn't know if his 99's are good or not.
But,of course, I can not say that my move is good. la55i you are much more expirience then me, but, as I said, I think that small raise will show me what I can expect with 99's.

My response is identical to what I wrote above. Think it through.

Originally posted by profimaximus
I ment to raise just to get info. small raise after flop, cause if I only call, I don't know where I am, like in the swampyking situation. All hand he didn't know if his 99's are good or not.
But,of course, I can not say that my move is good. la55i you are much more expirience then me, but, as I said, I think that small raise will show me what I can expect with 99's.

It will show you only how fast you will lose your money. Do not invest if you do not know how you can win those money back.

It will show you only how fast you will lose your money. Do not invest if you do not know how you can win those money back.

The way swampykid played cause lost of 17,5bb at the end of hand. If I reraised him after his first raise I will loose only 6bb )his raise 0.06 I reraise 0.12), and I will know excatly where I am with 99's.
Again I say, I don't have much expiriance in cash game, so probably I am wrong. But this way I'm learning

You aren't just probably wrong. Your are wrong period. Playing as swampykid is assessed by most of us to be profitable, whereas your line is a big loser.

Originally posted by profimaximus

It will show you only how fast you will lose your money. Do not invest if you do not know how you can win those money back.

The way swampykid played cause lost of 17,5bb at the end of hand. If I reraised him after his first raise I will loose only 6bb )his raise 0.06 I reraise 0.12), and I will know excatly where I am with 99's.
Again I say, I don't have much expiriance in cash game, so probably I am wrong. But this way I'm learning

Believe me, raising for information will get very expensive in the long run. You will fold out the hands that you could get more profit on later streets and isolate yourself only versus better hands. You will start check-raising more than you should and people will start to exploit you. If you min check raise people can just click back (minraise again) or then they have a easy call with their draw = you really didn't get that info you wanted.

Originally posted by profimaximus

It will show you only how fast you will lose your money. Do not invest if you do not know how you can win those money back.

The way swampykid played cause lost of 17,5bb at the end of hand. If I reraised him after his first raise I will loose only 6bb )his raise 0.06 I reraise 0.12), and I will know excatly where I am with 99's.
Again I say, I don't have much expiriance in cash game, so probably I am wrong. But this way I'm learning

A villain will re-raise you, you will fold. Next time- the same - he will re-raise you, you will fold. After some time he will be re-raising the hell out of you and what will you do? I will tell you - lose big money.
Baluga explained this in one of his books. A Villain kept pounding at himand when he reacted he won a hand.After the session when Baluga checked his profit/loss vs that villain he was losing vs him.
But well, if you want to raise for info, just do it, and do not miss to tell me at what poker room, at what limit and with what nick you play...

haha well indeed, we cannot raise for info. Only for value or as a bluff. Simple as that.

Suggest to start building from that.