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Over Betted Flop Nuts Flush Draw

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srichards
Joined: 26.11.2012

Self-criticism is a key ingredient to becoming a good poker player. I was very annoyed with my donk bet with a nuts flush draw. I wanted to build the pot with a possibility of a huge hand. I was comfortable betting 11 BB’s on the flop. But, I had no desire to invest 20 BB’s on more with this drawing hand. I was hesitant to make the bet because I knew that I would be in an uncomfortable position if I faced a Raise. Given the fact that at Preflop Button raised to 7 BB, I should have known a Raise was possible. The next time I face this scenario, I will bet 4 BB or check. At 28 % pot odds, this was a Call even if Villain had a set. But, I preferred to wait for a better opportunity before placing myself in an All In position. Any thoughts?

Ignition - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 62.2 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
BB: 131.1 BB (VPIP: 52.17, PFR: 34.78, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
Hero (UTG): 65.1 BB
UTG+1: 28 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
MP: 100.8 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
MP+1: 53.1 BB (VPIP: 69.23, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
CO: 168.8 BB (VPIP: 26.09, PFR: 4.35, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
BTN: 72.6 BB (VPIP: 8.70, PFR: 4.35, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 23)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♦ 7♦

Hero calls 1 BB, fold, fold, MP+1 calls 1 BB, CO calls 1 BB, BTN raises to 7 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 6 BB, MP+1 calls 6 BB, fold

Flop: (23.5 BB, 3 players) T♦ 8♥ J♦
Hero bets 11.2 BB, fold, BTN raises to 40 BB, fold

BTN wins 43.7 BB


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DarkTunnel
Joined: 14.08.2013

After donking the flop you cannot fold with this amount of equity 65BB deep. You need roughly 28% to call here and againts a very value heavy range ( see below), you have 42%.


Asztal: J♦T♦8♥
       Equity   Won  Split
MP2        42.23%  41.49%     0.74% { Ad7d }
MP3        57.77%  57.02%     0.74% { TT+, 88, JTs, JTo }


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

I'm not familiar with this site, but if it's possible I would always start with a stack of at least 100bb. If you want to play A7s in the first place i would raise it like 3 or 4bb pre-flop,but most of the time I would just fold A7s from UTG. As played i would stack off fos sure with the nut flush draw. Otherwise you shouldn't bet in the first place.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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MLima1984
Joined: 19.05.2015

The cool kids dont limp.
I really dont like the donking aswell


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IPtkv
Joined: 30.08.2011
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semiramiRNMD
Joined: 25.10.2009

Limping UTG says it all. I recommend watching some videos for absolute beginners. There are plenty here and they are free (no status required). Search for confidant91, or Lemon36.


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srichards
Joined: 26.11.2012

Originally posted by DarkTunnel
After donking the flop you cannot fold with this amount of equity 65BB deep. You need roughly 28% to call here and againts a very value heavy range ( see below), you have 42%.


Asztal: J♦T♦8♥
       Equity   Won  Split
MP2        42.23%  41.49%     0.74% { Ad7d }
MP3        57.77%  57.02%     0.74% { TT+, 88, JTs, JTo }

I knew that this was a Call. I was just mad that I put myself in basically an All-In situation with this hand. I decided to eat the hand and wait for a better opportunity. However, this was a clear mathematical call.


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srichards
Joined: 26.11.2012

Originally posted by SDK1987
I'm not familiar with this site, but if it's possible I would always start with a stack of at least 100bb.
SDK1987

Oops! I did not catch that mistake. Normally, I always rebuy to make sure that I am close to 100 bb. Thanks. Love the criticism.


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srichards
Joined: 26.11.2012

Originally posted by semiramiRNMD
Limping UTG says it all. I recommend watching some videos for absolute beginners. There are plenty here and they are free (no status required). Search for confidant91, or Lemon36.

I use to follow the "Thou Shall Not Limp" commandment. Now I am winning more by limping everything. When there is a great example, I will post a hand which demonstrates why I love the limping strategy. Although my win rate is very impressive, I do not yet have the right to tell my high win rate. I must play many more hands and have success beyond micro stakes. Also, I am willing to change my Limp Everything style if Poker Tracker's bb/100 tells me that I need to reconsider.


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LemOn36
Joined: 07.02.2009

Looks like you have it figured out then sir, good luck!
It's okay to have fun with the game as main objective, seems like you are :)


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LemOn36
Joined: 07.02.2009

Actually this thread gave me an idea for a new special, coming soon!
It's going to be about Choosing your Poker style, and that having fun with the GAME is actually okay. Thank you and stay tuned for May 21st!


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