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TP T kicker vs triple barrel

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jiffybag
Joined: 21.12.2010

I don't know what it is with me and this hand, it's like pretty eyes, gets me every time. Villain plays every hand and is aggro. BTN is fish and passive. Think I should have folded this pre or maybe 3bet? I put myself in a spot, as the BTN could raise the flop or turn. I made the decision on the turn if the river is low, I am calling.

Hands that beat me
TT+, 7x, 9x better kicker, 22, 55, 86

Hands I beat
AT, AJ, AQ, AK
KT, KJ, KQ,
QT, QJ, AQ,
JT, T8, 98,
33, 44, 66, 88

GG Poker - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

Hero (CO): $2.23 (111.5 bb)
BTN: $2.05 (102.5 bb)
SB: $3.27 (163.5 bb)
BB: $0.48 (24 bb)
UTG: $2.10 (105 bb)

SB posts $0.01, BB posts $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has T♥: 9♥:
UTG raises to $0.04, Hero calls $0.04, BTN calls $0.04, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.15, 3 players) 7♥: 9♣: 2♠:
UTG bets $0.08, Hero calls $0.08, BTN calls $0.08

Turn: ($0.39, 3 players) 5♥:
UTG bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20, fold

River: ($0.79, 2 players) 7♠:
UTG bets $0.40, Hero?

Spoiler

River: ($0.79, 2 players) 7♠:
UTG bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40

Results: $1.59 pot ($0.07 rake)
Final Board: 7♥: 9♣: 2♠: 5♥: 7♠:

UTG shows 9♦: A♣:: (Two Pair, Nines and Sevens)
(Pre 65%, Flop 80%, Turn 73%)

Hero shows T♥: 9♥:: (Two Pair, Nines and Sevens)
(Pre 35%, Flop 20%, Turn 27%)

UTG wins $1.50


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

I think calling the flop is fine — there are a lot of cards that improve the hand
Even the turn is OK — you now have a flush draw, but a poor one. The 8♥: or even 6♥: would have been far better, because then you'd have a monster draw. As it is, OTR you have at best a bluff catcher.[1]

Surprisingly, according to my (now rather old) Starting Hands Chart, the T9s call is OK. These charts were from the day when UTG opens would be 3x, so a min-raise would make a call even more OK

[1] So catch the bluff. You need to put in 40 to get 160, so you only need to win once in four times. I'm guessing that you posted this because you didn't win. So it goes.


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jiffybag
Joined: 21.12.2010

So catch the bluff. You need to put in 40 to get 160, so you only need to win once in four times. I'm guessing that you posted this because you didn't win. So it goes.

Yes, I did the math, as I am getting better at it and thought V had enough bluffs for it to be profitable. I almost won, if that counts :coolface:


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Fold or 3bet preflop. As played you should call his three barrels. Otherwise what's the point of calling with this hand?

Villain plays every hand and is aggro

Against this type players you should 3bet a bit more often and wide your 3bet range a bit, thin value bet them and bluffcatch more light


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jiffybag
Joined: 21.12.2010

Fold or 3bet preflop.

Yes I was thinking you said this about the last hand I played which was similar, while the hand was in progress.


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Shkureonak
Joined: 19.04.2010

Interesting hand, been in this spot many times. Am not sure if this is correct, but I would re-raise OTT, just to catch some information about our opponents hand strength. If he calls, and then bets again OTR, by the size of his bet (if you re-raised him OTT) you can understand is it a monster or he is cautios of your hand. As you played, i mean cold call pre, you have all the small pairs, and connectors, so you can easy represent something big.

Sometimes, I use this strategy, and it helps me a lot. On low limits people don't know how to play 3-bet, 4-bet, etc. pots. And they immediately "tell" you their strenghth on the next street. Don't know how profitable it is overall, but micro-stakes is a perfect field to do such things (re-raise just for info).

What do you guys think?


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Yes I was thinking you said this about the last hand I played which was similar, while the hand was in progress.

And yet you are still doing it. Witch means that this kind move is a habit. Bad habit most of the time. Told ya about the habits. They are hard to eradicate. Try to eliminate it


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jiffybag
Joined: 21.12.2010

Originally posted by NapoleonBonaparte135

Yes I was thinking you said this about the last hand I played which was similar, while the hand was in progress.

And yet you are still doing it. Witch means that this kind move is a habit. Bad habit most of the time. Told ya about the habits. They are hard to eradicate. Try to eliminate it

I'm working on it :transpire:


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Originally posted by Shkureonak
Interesting hand, been in this spot many times. Am not sure if this is correct, but I would re-raise OTT, just to catch some information about our opponents hand strength. If he calls, and then bets again OTR, by the size of his bet (if you re-raised him OTT) you can understand is it a monster or he is cautios of your hand. As you played, i mean cold call pre, you have all the small pairs, and connectors, so you can easy represent something big.

Sometimes, I use this strategy, and it helps me a lot. On low limits people don't know how to play 3-bet, 4-bet, etc. pots. And they immediately "tell" you their strenghth on the next street. Don't know how profitable it is overall, but micro-stakes is a perfect field to do such things (re-raise just for info).

What do you guys think?

Raising for information seems like a weird move. I would just call the turn to keep villains range wider and you have 9 outs to hit a flush if you are behind.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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yangmartins
Joined: 28.11.2009

Originally posted by jiffybag
I don't know what it is with me and this hand, it's like pretty eyes, gets me every time.

You use HM3, right? Filter by that hand (type of hand) and evaluate what position(s) you get a profit from it. Imo, is the best way to divorce hands I used to play wrong.


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yangmartins
Joined: 28.11.2009

Originally posted by NapoleonBonaparte135
Against this type players you should 3bet a bit more often and wide your 3bet range a bit, thin value bet them and bluffcatch more light

I 200% agree with the 3bet part, but also on NL2? Is there PF FE enough to justify 3bet light in NL2?
Main reason I would advocate for 3betting this hand in NL2/5 would be to get more comfortable doing that in NL10+.


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Originally posted by yangmartins

Originally posted by NapoleonBonaparte135
Against this type players you should 3bet a bit more often and wide your 3bet range a bit, thin value bet them and bluffcatch more light

I 200% agree with the 3bet part, but also on NL2? Is there PF FE enough to justify 3bet light in NL2?
Main reason I would advocate for 3betting this hand in NL2/5 would be to get more comfortable doing that in NL10+.

Maybe i didnt express myself correctly. By widen our 3bet range doesnt necessary mean to 3bet this hand. I mean to widen our 3bet range for value. But even this hand is a good 3bet candidate against viliian who plays every hand and is aggro


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jiffybag
Joined: 21.12.2010

I don't know if this is correct, I used the filter editor to get this, on these 3 types of hands, but it just seems too little? This is from CO, BTN, SB, BB. I have 52k hands, shouldn't there be more or is this correct? I'm going to play around with this a bit more and look at other hands where I am losing.


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