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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

I Don't Normally Cash Out

No stats at all, very first hand of what was intended to be a short session

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $14.85 (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)
SB: $25.00 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
Hero (BB): $25.00
UTG: $21.00
MP: $23.33
CO: $49.72 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 5)

SB posts SB $0.10, Hero posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has T♥:T♠:

fold, MP raises to $0.50, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.60, MP calls $1.10

Flop: ($3.30, 2 players) T♣:Q♣:7♦:
Hero bets $1.64, MP raises to $21.73 and is all-in, Hero calls $20.09

MP is playing with less than a full stack. I suspected FD, overpair or AQ, maybe even KQ.
Since this was intended to be a short session, I decided to take the cashout.
I was offered $38.02, for a fee of $0.78 My equity (from PT4) was 87%, but I think that PokerStars stated it differently.

What are your thoughts on this in general?

What are your thought on cashing out in this particular scenario?


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

In this situation you are in a decent situation except against a flush draw it could be exciting. In general I would go for it, but so far I know you need to decide before you know villains cards.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by SDK1987
In this situation you are in a decent situation except against a flush draw it could be exciting. In general I would go for it, but so far I know you need to decide before you know villains cards.

Actually, you see opponent's cards, and you see the estimated equity.
Next time it happens, I'll post a screenshot.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Here is the whole hand.

I only really cashed out because I could only play for a short time, and I would rather not run the risk of digging a hole that it could take hours to get out of.

I got very lucky, since opponent hit the higher full house on the river.
PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $14.85 (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)
SB: $25.00 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
Hero (BB): $25.00
UTG: $21.00
MP: $23.33
CO: $49.72 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 5)

SB posts SB $0.10, Hero posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has T♥:T♠:

fold, MP raises to $0.50, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.60, MP calls $1.10

Flop: ($3.30, 2 players) T♣:Q♣:7♦:
Hero bets $1.64, MP raises to $21.73 and is all-in, Hero calls $20.09

Turn: ($46.76, 2 players) 9♠:

River: ($46.76, 2 players) Q♥:

Hero cashed out $38.02 for a fee of $0.78

Hero shows T♥:T♠: (Full House, Tens full of Queens)
(Pre 63%, Flop 87%, Turn 95%)
MP shows T♦:Q♦: (Full House, Queens full of Tens)
(Pre 37%, Flop 13%, Turn 5%)
MP wins $44.76
Rake paid $2.00


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1d4BestByTest
Joined: 11.12.2010

I understand your reasoning, and it is very human. But is not the only question,' What do I do to solve this mental issue?

I am not super mentally stable myself(that is the reason I take a little break)

But I don't cash out, and if I would, I would never do it in this spot. If you get the suck out here and for the rest of the session, you go breakeven. I am just very happy with the session. My $EV is solid, my play was good and up to next.

If you are already got sucked out for 3stacks during the session and you feel some minor tilt signs, that would be different. Then it very well be could be just +ev to take the little hit and just cash out(but probably than you still should have just ended the session already before you play that hand). Maybe the only exception is if you have already decided to stop the session for tilt reasons and are waiting on the blinds


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by 1d4BestByTest
But I don't cash out, and if I would, I would never do it in this spot. If you get the suck out here and for the rest of the session, you go breakeven. I am just very happy with the session. My $EV is solid, my play was good and up to next.

I almost never did before. In this case, "the rest of the session" would have been only 10 minutes or so. In a one hour or longer session, losing a stack here and there would be no problem.

Originally posted by 1d4BestByTest
If you are already got sucked out for 3stacks during the session and you feel some minor tilt signs, that would be different. Then it very well be could be just +ev to take the little hit and just cash out(but probably than you still should have just ended the session already before you play that hand). Maybe the only exception is if you have already decided to stop the session for tilt reasons and are waiting on the blinds

I stop play if I am down two buy-ins — but not for tilt reasons. That is decided already when I start play. If I am down one-and-a-half stacks, and get one back I keep going.

My most common source of tilt is actually on the other side of the ledger. If I get up two or three stacks, I started playing more loosely, which harms my winnings.


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1d4BestByTest
Joined: 11.12.2010

I still don't understand why you would then cash out. It just hit your expected winnings. Does it really matter that you have a down session? The only real reason could be tilt prevention, right?


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by 1d4BestByTest
I still don't understand why you would then cash out. It just hit your expected winnings. Does it really matter that you have a down session? The only real reason could be tilt prevention, right?

Well, since I don't really tilt, I did it more for bankroll management.
At least, that's what I thought. Perhaps that in itself is a form of tilt.

We're not supposed to be "results oriented", and if I lose a stack early on, it never bothers me, because I have the rest of my session to recover. Sessions are usually 2 to 3 hours, because there is a tournament going on at the same time. In this case though, I was only going to be playing for 15 minutes or so.


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1d4BestByTest
Joined: 11.12.2010

Yes bankroll managent could be a real reason, but I doubt it ever will be enough to compensate the lost equity.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Lucky cash out. Villain has only 2 outs.
For bankroll management I would use at least 20 buy-inns of the highest limit and that's pretty loose already.


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