flopped second nuts oop, hu

Definately stack off, you have FD + top2 to go with your 2nd nuts. When you check-raised flop youre going with this hand.

Yeah, after c-raise you can't even think about folding the turn. But I wouldn't c-raise flop, as you don't want to play for stacks there. Opponent pots, so he probably has a piece there. One option is to call flop and then c-raise blank turn.

Hey,

Why would the c/r on the turn be better than c/r on the flop? Is that cause there the villain could have wider calling range and our hand would be more disguised?

What if villain pots the turn? is it still good to c/r? how big would be the c/r?

Depends on the turn card. If turn is clubs and opponent bets big, you can fold. If it's something like Q, J or T and opponent pots, you can fold. But if the board doesn't change, opponent most likely bets again and after that he might think he is committed and stacks off with wider range than what he would on the flop.

Originally posted by Kyyberi
Yeah, after c-raise you can't even think about folding the turn. But I wouldn't c-raise flop, as you don't want to play for stacks there. Opponent pots, so he probably has a piece there. One option is to call flop and then c-raise blank turn.

would this be a flop c/r for you if hero's hand was A:c 9:h 7:h 5:c ? And to go deeper, what would need to be true for the villain (e.g. she opens 80% of buttons) for this to become a c/r otf?

When we c-raise the flop, we force our opponent to fold all the bluffs and weak hands from his range. Playing oop sucks, and as we have no history with the opponent he will put us on straight once we check-raise. So it's harder for him to make mistakes. When he cbets full pot, it can be for various reasons:

• He is scared of the board so he bets big to make hero fold (isn't that great of a thinking, but that's how many players play at micros)
• He has the nuts and bets as much as possible
• He has blockers and bets pots to maximize FE
• He has semibluff (nfd) and bets pot to maximize FE

I can't see him making that bet with air. The biggest question is what kind of player our opponent is? Will he stack off with nfd+something? Will he just call with nfd/set/OESD etc.?

Playing OOP sucks, but if we raise we will have SPR 2 on the turn. And there are quite many turns that we are not happy to see. Any 6-Q and any Club (besides 6c). Over half of the deck. That's why I would call and see what turn is. If it's some of those above, it hits our calling range and opponent has to be causious. If it's blank, we can often c-raise and commit ourselves.

If we have nfd with our 2nd nut straight, it reduces some of the semibluffs from our opponent's range. But we don't have to be worried about that club anymore for the turn. So raising is better as then we can easily stack our opponent off if we both hit the flush. If we call and flush completes, opponent might check turn and call river with his non-nut flush and we can't stack him off.

What comes to opponents preflop range, I don't think that matters much as he pots the flop. Overall stats do matter, as the more aggressive our opponent is, the stronger our 2nd nut straight is.

It's PLO5, so you don't have to be balanced. If this was PLO50+ against reg, then it would be a lot more trickier situation as we would need to think our overall c-raise range on this kind of boards.