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Live PLO - 2/2/5

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chopfi
Joined: 06.02.2008

Played this Hand in Miami. It is played with a Rock/Straddle (5$). The player who won the last Hand, has to straddle to 5$. Preflop action starts to the left from the Straddle.

MP - Loose Semireg (1000)
CO - Hero (1000) mit A♥:9♥:8♣:6♦:
BU - Aggrofish (300)

Preflop:
Rock in BB, MP raise 20, Hero call, BU call, Rock call

Flop: Q♥:5♥:4♣: (80)
BB check, MP check, Hero check, BU bet 50, MP call, Hero raise 280, BU all-in 300, MP fold

Preflop:
I think this is pretty Standard. In loose live games we want to play multiway pots with this hand.

Flop
SPR is 3.5 against MP and SPR is 12 against MP.
I checked because BU was aggressiv and I thought he would stab a lot. Against a wide range I can x/r with a lot of FE. If he checks back, it is also good for me because I have 11 Nutouts or can improve to a pair along with my draw.
Now MP calls the bet and I also think, he is very weak. In PLO-Live-Games people often fastplay their stronghands, so he would bet the flop or x/r against BU. This is why I decided to x/r, because I thought I have a lot of FE against both players and if we get it in, I will always have 35-40%.

Now someone mentioned, that he would always just call the bet on the flop, because MP probably has a weak draw and we have implied Odds, because we are in Position. I checked a similar spot (Ks6s5d, MP vs CO vs BU) in the PLO-Trainer and there, the NFD + Gutshot is just a call. With a slightly better hand (+ BDFD, Pair, OESD) the solver wants to bet-call or check-raise.

I still prefer the x/r, because I think BU stabs more than Solver (40%), so we have more FE.
In the Solver MP x/c with Sets (KK 34%, 66 90%, 55 100%) and I think this is not true in reality. MP often bets the flop with Sets oder is x/r.
This is why I still like my play more then x/c on the flop, because I have a lot more FE than in the solver and MP rarely is trapping with Sets.

Any other opinions?


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

Would BU really bet-fold there, when he needs about 30% equity and just made a bet versus 3 players?

I don't think there is much FE versus BU, but then on the other hand live game is quite different from online. If BU doesn't fold, you need to hit something to win the pot. That's the problem, as we don't really gain much from knocking MP out, and we can't raise as value versus him.

If we think we have decent FE versus BU, then raise is fine. But I can't figure out easily a hand that bets versus multiple players and folds to a raise when he needs just a bit over 30% to play for stacks.


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chopfi
Joined: 06.02.2008

Thank you for the reply.
I think I have FE in this spot in live games. Very often when the PFR and all the players are checking, the BU takes a stab and also folding against aggression. Hands I can imagine that are b/f are Kings, AQ/KQ without a draw. And i think this approach is not bad, since checking ranges are very weak in live games, because PFR often cbets all the good hands and the other players are donking/betting their strong hands on a wet board. So if it gets checked to the BU, the ranges are very weak and often x/f or some weak hands c/c.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

In general I would either x-c or lead myself. Hand is ok to lead but in general not strong enough for x-r. Very often you want some form of made hand component when you decide to raise or just very strong draw. This one I would still count into kinda medium strong draw even if nut potential is great.


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