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[PLO2] AA KX SS - Calling down nut fullhouse mw

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pguest
Joined: 01.04.2009

$0.02 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players

UTG: 82 BB (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
MP: 107.5 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
CO: 70.5 BB (VPIP: 56.00, PFR: 24.00, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 25)
BTN: 152 BB (VPIP: 79.37, PFR: 26.03, 3Bet Preflop: 5.51, Hands: 319)
Hero (SB): 105.5 BB
BB: 183.5 BB (VPIP: 87.50, PFR: 15.63, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 33)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♥ 9♦ K♦ A♣

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, CO calls 1 BB, BTN raises to 4 BB, Hero calls 3.5 BB, BB calls 3 BB, UTG calls 3 BB, CO calls 3 BB
Thoughts and questions:

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3bet or fold?
What should be my minimum range here to probably play a mw 3bet pot OOP? I guess I would have 3betted if the A were suited rather than the K...
The aggressor had a fold to 3bet of 16% in 30 hands

Flop: (20 BB, 5 players) J♦ J♥ J♣
Hero checks, BB bets 1 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 1 BB, Hero calls 1 BB
Thoughts and questions:

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No idea how to play the 2nd nuts from here mw. If I raise, would I be called for anything less than a J or maybe a KK (and I kind of block them) from the PFA?
How big should the bets be for me calling down from here?

Turn: (23 BB, 3 players) 3♣
Hero checks, BB bets 2 BB, BTN calls 2 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

River: (29 BB, 3 players) 6♠
Hero checks, BB bets 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB

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BB shows 7♠ 4♥ 8♠ 8♥ (Full House, Jacks full of Eights)
(Pre 32%, Flop 0.2%, Turn 0%)
BTN shows T♣ Q♥ T♥ 2♠ (Full House, Jacks full of Tens)
(Pre 25%, Flop 0.3%, Turn 0%)
Hero shows A♥ 9♦ K♦ A♣ (Full House, Jacks full of Aces)
(Pre 43%, Flop 99.6%, Turn 100%)
Hero wins 36.5 BB


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

Pre: This is a clear 3bet preflop. In this particular situation you can reraise around 12% which includes all types of AAxx and also lots of other hands.

Flop: I would make a small token bet otf to get value from underfulls like TT+, very bad player might call your tokenbet with 55xx+ underfulls here. Your hand is also not invulnerable: a K or Q can give villain the better hand.

Turn: I would raise here small to for same reasons like on the flop. The minbetting going on is reducing the likelyhood of someone having Jxxx.

River: I would raise here half pot to get value from a weaker underfull especially from KKxx, sometimes QQxx.

Summary: on tripped boards u can usually get 2 bets of value with your non-nutted top-underfull, a backdoor overfull or quads is usually unlikely. You got tricked by their minbets and did not bet any street by yourself so you missed to get value on all streets.


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pguest
Joined: 01.04.2009

Thanks!


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deralte71
Joined: 09.08.2010

The only concern with Four other Players on the flop is that they hold 16 cards combined out of the remaining 52-7 = 45 cards, which means that somebody has the remaining Jack at least 35 pct of the times.


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

Originally posted by deralte71
The only concern with Four other Players on the flop is that they hold 16 cards combined out of the remaining 52-7 = 45 cards, which means that somebody has the remaining Jack at least 35 pct of the times.

I've just made a calculation. Yes, indeed the likelyhood of someone holding a :Jx: is quite high, with rough range-estimations it should be around 28% that 1 player has quads. But the remaining 72% they have something worse.

But thats not a problem he has to reveal his handstrength by raising otr at the latest and we have an easy fold. We can still get the value from underfulls by betting. It also allows us to steal the pot sometimes with air when we v-bet more than just quads. Remember with quads there is no such a domination scenario with higher kickers like you have it in a trips-vs-trips matchup.


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semiramiRNMD
Joined: 25.10.2009

I think 3-bet is a must. This hand does not play well in MW pot, and MW pot means likely no aces left in the deck. I think you should somehow try to squeeze some more value. If the jack is out there it will be obvious , but many bad players can donate a lot in this situation. I think donking is a good idea.


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

3bet pre. Then bet small on the flop.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by Kyyberi
3bet pre. Then bet small on the flop.

Having bet small -- 1/2 pot? -- would you then get it in if one of the player re-raises?
What action OTT if you bet/call and one player drops out?


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

I would bet 1/3, and if being raised it would depend on who raises. In general, J doesn't usually raise.


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