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PLO25 A933ds flop plan?

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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

So I open BU and both blinds call. Both villains are calling on wide side. Just wondering what is your default plan for spot like this? I could see some merit in flop check as we have two bdfd and gs. So decent playability good amount of time if facing turn bet. Facing raise if cbetting is obviously bad but that is super rare so I dont really care about that.

Point is if we cbet (half pot) is our plan to continue barreling on blank runouts? Its just that 43 is not that big part of my range. E.g. I tend to feel like repping wheel straight in general (especially like 23, 24, 52) is kind of thin. Though its not necessarily issue I suppose as we should also look to triple all (or most) sets on board that doesnt change nuts imo.


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

Bet half a pot, seems pretty easy to me. You are not repping just 34, I thin we should cbet Axxx hands in general with decent frequency. Solver likes to bet half of Axxx hands here, and with blockers and 2bdfd's it's 50% always. Being a bit deep doesn't really change situation imo.

If they fold, nice. It's not a board where you generate action by checking, as neither opponent should start betting a lot without a hand. So we don't really achieve a lot with a check.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Yeah but as I said what is plan on turn/river as default line? Do we go for barrel without turning more equity with fd? In general with this kind of hand type my plan is to continue aggression but straight blockers are imo less valuable in these spots for reason mentioned in open post.


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JoePlotter
Joined: 10.11.2012

I assume you open from button around 40-50%. Even if the the blinds are little cally, isn't this flop atleast even range or in your favor? They wont be having plenty of 43xx, mostly side cards with pairs or suited shitty ace. You'll have lot of suited AK and stuff here. Ok, your not heavy favourite range wise but then card removal kicks in and you should bet half a pot. When you hit your backdoorflushdraw, I would opt in for releasing equity unless you hit 9. If turn is blank, I'd lean towards 2nd barrel.

What do you think, if 2nd barrel should we always bet through if the river is another blank? Or should we fire 3rd barrel these blokkers and give up if we were firing turn with pure air? Im trying to figure out which part of our range should give up, I try to think that if we dont always bet through it will strenghten the rest of the bluffs.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

In general we should give up high equity turn barrels on blank rivers. Point being if we have strong draw on turn it will block villain from having draw when calling turn bet. Of course sometimes on very drawy board you can have strong draw that doesn't necessarily block that much.

This hand category in general make pretty nice triple barrel candidate having stable blockers with 33. I am not sure if A is good or bad for multi barrel bluffs as it sort of moves opponent range from top pair into potential set. Of course for flop bet it's good one to have. So basically hand like 6533 could be better for multi barrel bluff.


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regie
Joined: 06.03.2008

I Would bet 3 streets . River bluff, unless the flush hits that doest help. In case ha reraise flop, he has the nuts we block.


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YXKCOBRA
Joined: 20.09.2008

Flop plan: Bet 1/2 Pot with bicycle blocker cards.


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YXKCOBRA
Joined: 20.09.2008

I think it is an easy decision... :f_cool:


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

My default plan is to evaluate the hand components in favour of c-betting or checking back.

Pro Cbet:
Nutblockers 3♠: and 3♥: (2 blockers are a strong reason to cbet, critical blockers right now and to barrel future streets)
Rangeblockers: 3♠:, 3♥: and A♥: block side cards in the textures' region (block top-pair, set, straightdraw, etc..)
Bad improvement chances: our pocket pair decreases our chances to improve to 2pair for more SDV
Slight range advantage in the top-range region by having more low card combos and not being capped from top-set
Giving opponents reverse implied odds with the nutted :h flushdraw (minor factor imo that solver considerates though)

Pro Check:
SDV with the A♥: top-pair
Better future visbility with two :h and :s backdoorflushdraws that give a minor piece of equity we want to realize

So in this case there are more reasons for me to bring a standard 50% pot c-bet.


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BradNitt
Joined: 22.07.2011

imo the issue is that the players here are much more uncapped with strong axxx than in solver. i guess "solver would bet" not really comes from a sim for the actual spot with sb flat and bb overcall. or if kyyberi made a sim i would be interested with a pretty wide sb range.

i would favor a check.
when turn goes xx again, we obv have a clear valuebet, at the the flop we are not sure about that and then feel more the need to barrell through if getting called. but i dont see reasons to switch into that node. we have ace, also blocking light stabs and the board shouldnt become too uncomfortable that check means give up


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