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[Highlight] Bluff turned Value-Bet

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w34z3l
Joined: 03.08.2009

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$0.02/$0.05 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

Known players:
[tg]MP2$5.80:///////;MP3$1.80:///////;CO$5.45:///////;BU$5.00:///////;SB$5.24:///////;BB (Hero)$5.16:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is BB with J:s, 5:s.
MP2 raises to $0.10, 3 folds, SB calls $0.08, Hero calls $0.05.

Flop: ($0.3) 3:s, 7:h, 5:d (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.18, MP2 calls $0.18, SB folds.

Turn: ($0.66) Q:s (2 players)
Hero bets $0.40, MP2 calls $0.40.

River: ($1.46) J:h (2 players)
Hero bets $0.88, MP2 calls $0.88.

Final Pot: $3.22.
Results follow:

MP2 shows two pairs, queens and jacks(J:d Q:d).
Hero shows two pairs, jacks and fives(J:s 5:s).

MP2 wins with two pairs, queens and jacks(J:d Q:d).

Preflop call is marginal and not necessarily mandatory, but some important postflop concepts are illustrated here.

Flop - The first concept is that we don't want to make the mistake of checking to the PFR here. While it can never terrible there are some clear advantages to leading this type of hand on the flop.

i) By checking we risk giving a free card to 2 players, our holding is pretty vulnerable and the average villain cbets pretty tight multi-way at these limits
ii) Seeing as the average villain cbets pretty tight, it becomes tougher to check/call profitably. Our hand becomes closer to a check/fold.
iii) We miss out on fold equity by check/calling, opponents are guaranteed to see an additional card, whereas by leading we give ourself the chance of taking down the pot uncontested.

Turn Again we could imagine that we have enough equity to check-call on the turn. We'd actually be correct. This doesn't necessarily mean that checking is the best option however. Q♠: is generally unlikely to hit MP2's flop calling range. As it happens he actually holds Q♦:J♦: here and the Queen is a great card for him. In the long run however he is more likely to have some type of pocket-pair below a Queen or some type of pair+draw such as 67s.

Not only do we have good potential to improve to a good made hand on the river, we should also feel pretty comfortable about being able to fold villain out by the river when we miss, assuming he isn't a huge calling station. If we have any fold-equity whatsoever cbetting the turn will generally be considerably stronger than checking since we have additional ways to win the pot by the river. By checking we often need to improve on the river in order to win.

River We spike a Jack on the river. Not the greatest card for us, we would have preferred to hit a 5 or a flush. Again we could make the mistake of thinking that checking is good since value is pretty thin. However thin-value-betting is a crucial concept in beating the lower limits. Opponent may decide to look us up with some weak pairs including turned or rivered Qx/Jx hands. These are not overly likely, but the possibility that we are beaten here is also pretty low. Most better hands our opponent would be raising on flop or turn meaning we should definitely value-bet here. If anything the sizing used could be smaller but we typically don't want to make the mistake of checking here.

Opponent tables Q♦:J♦:


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KingKas
Joined: 30.06.2012

Nice hand and a good example.

A +EV decision doesn't always result in +$. This shows how to play correctly, whilst the result doesn't matter.


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GingerKid
Joined: 05.08.2007

since it is purely exploitative play, I would rather either check turn and call if he bets (i expect him to bet turn with KK+, sets, and check middle pairs, and those that bet dont fold vs bet anyway but usually raise on turn (so by checking we see river 100%). So if he bets, we know that we are beaten, and we spare us river bluff, and if he checks, we take down the pot on river unimproved with overbet, or pot bet, and if we improve, we can bet 25% pot.

By the way, nice example, and too bad that there is no more coaching service, but only highlights hands that come very rarely, and not for all limits. I got addicted with forum posting, but it doesnt make sense to post in forum if weasel is not answering.


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