NL25 - AJ, made good hand OTR and still fold.

Hello Farmarchist,

Nah, I still don't like the Call there, most likely I'd just Bet/Fold the flop. There is not much information about his Check/Raise or anything. We are also deep.

I mean if you calling the flop then what did it change by river? You beating the same hands and I would assume he is 3barreling with any Jx.

Best Regards.

Originally posted by veriz
Hello Farmarchist,

Nah, I still don't like the Call there, most likely I'd just Bet/Fold the flop. There is not much information about his Check/Raise or anything. We are also deep.

I mean if you calling the flop then what did it change by river? You beating the same hands and I would assume he is 3barreling with any Jx.

Best Regards.

So you would fold the flop? To me it seems like he isn't repping a lot with a ch/r there. Of course he can have a set but not many oppo's will ch/r flop with it.

The thing that changed from flop to river is that the total of bluffcombo's drastically reduced.

Why not? I would for example rather Check/Raise the flop than go for Check/Raise the turn where it's pretty obvious that you have a set. For exactly that reason I am also doing Check/Raise on the since a lot of players may think like you think that doesn't make sense for him to raise.

Also if you didn't assume he is doing it with set on the flop then why lay down on the river? Not many draws got there.

Originally posted by veriz
Also if you didn't assume he is doing it with set on the flop then why lay down on the river? Not many draws got there.

As I said: There are more bluffcombo's in his floprange than in his turnrange, and there are more bluffcombo's in his turnrange than in his riverrange. Just because people sometimes bluff 1 street and give up, othere 2 streets and just a few 3 streets. This villain seemed aggro so far but maybe I hadn't a representative sample? Alltough 220 hands is not nothing.

Also it would be good for him to ch/r a set on the flop with the assumption that I think a set will mostly raise the turn. But I still think it doesn't happen too often.

Hope you see me point. And please correct if wrong, I'm here to learn :). Hopefully I don't tilt you with this discussion

Nopes, you don't tilt me at all. I might sometimes have an aggressive writing but don't take it as I would rush into you and telling you are very bad or anything. Any discussions are welcome and I am glad to talk about them.

That's true that he has a lot of less bluff-combos in his range but I am pretty sure that the guy could still even continue with weaker Jx hands on the river, that's the problem. He might think you just have an overpair which you are never folding to his Bet.

Originally posted by veriz
Nopes, you don't tilt me at all. I might sometimes have an aggressive writing but don't take it as I would rush into you and telling you are very bad or anything. Any discussions are welcome and I am glad to talk about them.

That's true that he has a lot of less bluff-combos in his range but I am pretty sure that the guy could still even continue with weaker Jx hands on the river, that's the problem. He might think you just have an overpair which you are never folding to his Bet.

Allright cool ♦. I'm glad you agree with bluff-combo's...

Now that you say he can bet river with a weak jack, shouldn't we call flop, turn and river?

Now that you say he can bet river with a weak jack, shouldn't we call flop, turn and river?

Not really cause I would assume such a tight player rather Check/Call with weaker Jx. I was mainly talking afterwards actions which you picked and what kind of range you did put him on.