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Playing AT from SB v BB

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ByronJacobs
Joined: 09.08.2009

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$3/$6 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (5 handed)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T:s, A:h.
3 folds, Hero raises, BB 3-Bets, Hero calls.

Flop: (6 SB) A:c, 3:h, 6:h (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-Bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 2:h (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks.

River: (6 BB) 5:h (2 players)
Hero bets, BB calls.

Final Pot: 8 BB.
Results follow:

BB shows a pair of sixes(7:d 6:s).
Hero shows a flush, ace high(T:s A:h).

Hero wins with a flush, ace high(T:s A:h).

Couple of points:

1) Better to cap pre-flop?
2) Better to cap the flop?
3) Better to donk the turn having picked up flush draw to avoid the check behind?


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Point 3.) The key may be to figure out how often the average opponent checks on that particular turn card. The free-card raise, and particularly the free-card reraise on the flop, are unpopular these days, so I'd expect the opponent to fire away most of the time. I think that the situation on the turn is even more interesting from the perspective of the opponent. Should he bet? He would be protecting a potentially second best hand. I think that his check is quite ok, the big problem for him being that he has turned over his hand a little bit. He absolutely does not have an A.

/Johan = :f_confused:


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Without more info I would play this the same, but I'm happy to consider alternatives.

In BVB against a 3-bet I've been flatting 100% against most opponents. I think it saves us some headace postflop.

I'm simplifying here but if we hit its often scary for our opponent. If we miss the board isn't often that scary. In both cases our opponent can make pretty good decisions, give us some tough ones, and play a bigger pot with position.

Against the Flop 3-bet I'm also flatting. His range starts to look narrow and I think we profit more from calling down. Flush draws are maybe 6% of his range. Straight draws may be even less likely since 54 often calls. We're ahead of some value hands though.

This turn I would check/call. We're still ahead of some top pair besides having the nut flush draw. Basically every draw he could have has come in.

River standard bet.

The results might make us think about how to adapt for future hands, but for this hand they're of course irrelevant.

Given that he has this particlar hand we may think "do we need to adjust if he's 3-betting 2nd pair and checking back scary turns". I'm not really sure we need to adjust our flop line with this hand. I would probably semi-bluff less against him and I might delay to raise the turn OOP with good value hands but I'd need to know a few things first.

I would also want to know what he actually does with top pair on this board. I also want to know if he plays this way with 2nd pair on a dry board.


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firsttsunami
Joined: 23.01.2006

I like the way you played that hand and i agree with datsmanahme that i'm also just calling 100% against 3bets unless villain is a fish but with just calling you keep your range wide, you can bluffcheckraise more on the flop because you've more stronger madehands and AT is actually not a hand you necessarily wanna be playing with initiative oop. I mean it's ok to cap but competent Opponents will recognize when you have 2 ranges. a cappingrange with just the premiumhands and a callingrange. You are easier to play but just wanted to mention it though i know that you already know. :)


Board:
Equity Win Tie
MP2 44.87% 41.73% 3.14% { 44+, A2s+, K8s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, 87s, 76s, A5o+, K9o+, QTo+, JTo }
MP3 55.13% 52.00% 3.14% { ATo }

We've just a marginal advantage against a loose 3betting-Range and the edge gets thinner the tighter his range becomes and in reality it'll probably a bit tighter as assumed in this calculation.

Not having initiative you can play more according to your eQ and you don't have to autofire the turn with less than 50%, if you don't hit, . The positional disadvantage of being oop is still a lot underestimated.

The question is actually not whether you should cap the flop or not i guess. Call 3bet is quite standard since your kicker ain't that strong and you balance your bluffs and flushdraws that way.

River i'd got for a bet as well because he seems to have some weak pair he's certainly paying off with. You could argue: He's certainly on a mid pocketpair and wouldn't he be more inclined to check back the turn with a flushdraw and thus bet the river as well. Without a flushdraw he would be more inclined to bet / fold but a guy who plays that "strange" line doesn't think that way. So he could still have too many random pairs without a flush that he's going to pay with so without a read i don't like checkraising.


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with hand ranges against unknowns in BVB... I like to make them a little fuzzy. More so than in other positions I tend to see strange outliers that aren't easy to reconcile using a top-down hand ranking. Unknowns 3-bet non-standard hands a good proportion of the time and this gives us more equity than a reasonable stove implies.


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