Change of the free bankroll for new PokerStrategy.com members

i can understand that.
but $10... seems a bit too little for someone as me who pretty much started from NL2 (actually i moved around fl and sng land but for no solid reason)

i mean, two coolers or even mistakes and you're down to BSS 3bi which is really painful, specially if you just read something about bankroll management. then you kinda have to move to fixed limit or very low tournaments or something which maybe could not be what you wanted to...

$15 seems like a more "comfortable" amount imo. actually i think it's a pretty huge difference
or are you just going to promote MSS a ton?

i don't really care about TAF but thought i'd share my view as someone who built up a reasonable roll from just a starting capital.

"• higher conversion rates, and thus more money earned, for Tell-A-Friend"

As one of your top Taffers I must say that I totally disagree with this change!!!

1rst - $10 bankroll along with quiz???? Do you guys now that your competitors offer much more then that without all that kind of complications???Why will people bother to ask for a bankroll on PokerStrategy?

2nd-Number of players will decrease on PokerStrategy and not increase as conversion rates!

3rd - If you change the bankroll to $10 1/5 of what it Used to be the number of points for a taffer to be paid which is now 100 sp should also be 100 * 1/5=20sp! You won't expect many players to make 100 points with $50 as they make the same with $10!

4th back in December when you changed the taff structure you told us that things would improve well that hasn't happened it just got worst much less earnings!Now with this it will get worse!

5th-When you make changes you should consult also the people who bring traffic to Pokerstrategy and ask them what they think!

Seriously If you don't change Taff before making these changes I will make a strike on bringing players to Pokerstrategy!!! Or even considering if I will bring more players here from my website cause I gotta be hones if this happens this way and things decrease your competitors will have better conversion rates for webmasters and I will be forced to stop promoting PokerStrategy! Cause you know business is business!!!

Originally posted by DarthVader666
"• higher conversion rates, and thus more money earned, for Tell-A-Friend"

As one of your top Taffers I must say that I totally disagree with this change!!!

1rst - $10 bankroll along with quiz???? Do you guys now that your competitors offer much more then that without all that kind of complications???Why will people bother to ask for a bankroll on PokerStrategy?

2nd-Number of players will decrease on PokerStrategy and not increase as conversion rates!

3rd - If you change the bankroll to $10 1/5 of what it Used to be the number of points for a taffer to be paid which is now 100 sp should also be 100 * 1/5=20sp! You won't expect many players to make 100 points with $50 as they make the same with $10!

4th back in December when you changed the taff structure you told us that things would improve well that hasn't happened it just got worst much less earnings!Now with this it will get worse!

5th-When you make changes you should consult also the people who bring traffic to Pokerstrategy and ask them what they think!

Seriously If you don't change Taff before making these changes I will make a strike on bringing players to Pokerstrategy!!! Or even considering if I will bring more players here from my website cause I gotta be hones if this happens this way and things decrease your competitors will have better conversion rates for webmasters and I will be forced to stop promoting PokerStrategy! Cause you know business is business!!!

This.

We're having the same discussion in the french community. And the main TAFers came to the same conclusion.

Personally, if no change is done to the TaF program while this 10$ move is really done, then I'm done with PokerStrategy's TaF. There are better affiliation programs out there.

10$ means all players will go broke before they can reach 100SP, which means we'll never get money from PS anymore, unless the player makes a deposit (in which case there are much better offers out there for TaFers of "depositing players").

I may not bring half as much as a big english-speaking TaFer but I still brought about 80 active players to PokerStrategy. And really, I'm ready to stop all this, because I feel this new business-model won't even cover the costs of hosting+domain names for my websites.

I do agree with everything you said....players will never reach the 100sp points at least most of them....I bring usually 600 players by month...and if TAF remains the same I will stop working with Pokerstrategy....

$10 isnt really a BR. Love $50 starting capitals from ps

Originally posted by Azrael128

Personally, if no change is done to the TaF program while this 10$ move is really done, then I'm done with PokerStrategy's TaF. There are better affiliation programs out there.

10$ means all players will go broke before they can reach 100SP, which means we'll never get money from PS anymore, unless the player makes a deposit (in which case there are much better offers out there for TaFers of "depositing players").

...I'm ready to stop all this, because I feel this new business-model won't even cover the costs of hosting+domain names for my websites.

This covers it all

Thank you all for your comments.

Through the last 12-months, we have tried a multitude of different funding methods and amounts, and via that process have found what we believe is the optimal free bankroll amount - $10.

We tested the new bankroll amount and it did affect player value. So more people with the same player value will get the free money and start generating SPs and as a result more people will reach 100sp.

Give the free bankroll to many, many more players.

we have been working on improving our conversion, by streamlining our fraud checks, improving the quiz and monitoring player behaviour. This will mean more players will get the free money and start generating SPs which will translate into more TaF payments

It is our goal to make free $10 better for TAFers than free $50. Recently, we had comments from TAFers due to poor conversion rates. (not enough people getting the $50)

In particular, the conversion rate for free $50 was often low with a small number of players getting the money. We want to at least double or even triple the conversion . The larger volumes should compensate for the lower amount of money.

Thanks again,

Dana

I seriously doubt of that.....More players will get the money but much less will reach the 100sp so less taf money....

Taf conditions should be reviwed along with the bankrolls it does not make any sense changing only one...

This will only make PokerStrategy earn more money and taffers less....just like the changes last December....

$10 isn't a proper BR. This seems a really backwards system. Why not keep the $50. release it in parts. Have certain requirements. Like taking part in the BSS poker course. People are going to blow the ten bucks so quickly and then never come back. You need something more engaging for the players. Most people on here lost their first $50 pretty quickly. It is impossible for the majority of people not to lose 5 buy ins while first starting the game. Very badly thought out changes. I really question a lot of the business decisions you make sometimes. It seems like a big gamble.

$20 or $25 would be ok, but $10 is too small. If I remember right, Poker Strategy earns money from rakeback, so if they give alot of $10 to people I don't know how many of the new players will be able to rakeback so PS will get their invesment back.

Surely they must have another form of earning money, like the number of players they bring to each room. Theoretically this would be 5 times larger so from a bussiness point of view this makes sense.

The psychological part and social part of the customer must be taken in consideration too, a bussiness does not deal only with cold calculations!

If PS continues to ask for ID check for the $10, they will loose new players. I sure wouldn't give my ID only to get $10. Even if blank the personal data, it's just too much hassle.

Yet PS have their own statistics and surely they must have a more accurate percentage who played well from the beginning and didn't loose too much money. Still I think $10 is too less.

If a decrease in given money is wanted, 20 - 25 dollars seems fine.

If the amount is reduced to $10 then the logical suggestion would be that players can then ( if they meet certain criteria ) apply for further $10 bankrolls on other sites. You could insist they get say 50 points before they can apply for a second bankroll. 100 for a 3rd, 200 for a 4th and 300 for the final one.

TAFers would then get rewarded for every site that player makes money on.

GOod players will make money on all the sites they play at, and PS will get more revenue. As it stands $10 will go nowhere and players will blow it having not made the affiliates or PS much money, if any at all.

Very poor decision, and one that really will crucify PS. There are sites where you can get anything up to 8 bankrolls at different sites, and its easier to get than on here.

The fact is, PS isn't making as much money as they want Nothing to do with making it better for the people referring players to PS. Thats why they're implementing this rule. The reason they aren't making money is because they give so many $50 away and most of the players blow it within the first few hours.

By doing it the way I suggested there is an incentive to stick around PS. There is an incentive to grow their initial bankroll and everyone benefits.

Interesting change. I am one of the users who was denied the starting bankroll So any good change to make it smoother would be appreciated.

This change is quite welcome. Less rigorous security checks -> more players.

I like the suggestion of releasing a certain amount every target strategy points achieved; IMO $15 for every 150SP till 450SP; the starting bankroll, whilst not ideal would be quite ok enough....much safer than 5BI.

On an off-topic note, most people here in PS aren't primarily here because of this free bankroll stuff, it is for the quite priceless knowledge and wisdom they stand to gain on their poker game.

Anyways meh -_- GL

if new ppl will see FREE 10$ - they will think "meh, not worth my time"

when they see free 50$ - "omg omg gimme gimme, lets give this poker thing a try"

Hi there folks

Interesting thread, let me throw my $0.02 in it. It is always funny to see
TAF-ers convincing pokerstrategy.com through threads like this how
new programme sucks and how an old one was THE one!! And I ain't no
hypocrite I'd want old programme back too, but I guess it was just to good
to be true. World financial crisis and last years Black Friday had huge
impact on online-poker too. So face with it people, changes are inevitable.

Now for the new TAF system. If a new member passes the quiz and gets
starting $10, well that's 5BI's for NL2 and 2,5BI's for say NL4. And if I am
not mistaken, isn't it like that one needs at least 20 - 25BI's to play certain
limit at NLHE? Now in before reply, "but you get another $10 next week..."
Right, BUT that's exactly the main issue with new TAF system imo.
If a new player goes busto with first $10, he/she in most cases
never log-ins back again (at least that's how I presume and observe
through 'reffered friends section'. another option is that they just don't log-
in into poker-room with money left anymore for some reason, but I think
that's less likely. as I have said already, imo they go busto and never log
back again. be it poker-room or pokerstrategy.com)

This is getting long already so let me conclude.
I'd change starting capital from 5x$10 to one piece of starting
capital and lock limits above NL2, NL4. (by one piece I mean be it $20 and
more the better obviously, but that $20 should be enough. enough for a
player with proper mindset.)
And when talking of mindset... For poker's sake, do make more
articles/interviews with 'stories of succes' etc... Pokerstrategy offers lots of
tools to be a winning player, but lots of people joins just to kill some time
and some of them are perspective but needs to be stimulated!

Oh well I could go on and on with this...

[TL;DR]

- 5x$10 < 1x$20
- more attractive articles (introduce successful poker strategists, poker celebs, all with intention to help new members being stimulated and focused to achieve their goal-s
- inform new player with major poker mistakes (not to marry with broadway cards, position awareness!!, etc etc) so those mistakes become advantages
- site got to be user friendly, so members find it attractive and they do log back in.

Enough. GL to all.

Cheers.

Thanks again for your comments and suggestions.

We are always reviewing how things work and try and and improve them. We believe having checked player activity with the same amount that there will be more people reaching 100sp - which will result in more TaF money.

I like to say that I fully support and agree with the posts of the DarthVader666 , Azrael128 , martoman2k10 , DrKillByDeath187 and everyone who think like that.

I can not understand the logic of the moderators who are telling that 10 is and will be better than 50$!!! Come onnn people, are you serious? And personally, I don't think that even you believe what you are saying, it is just what you must write in order to earn your pay check!!!

I would like to suggest to everyone hire TO IMMEDIATELY STOP EVERY REFERRING ACTIVITIES THAT YOU DO in order for pokerstrategy to see the real consciousnesses of this action! And also I would recommend to fire the "genius(es)" that make this critical mistake for charges of trying to bankrupt the company, cause that is what will be!!!!

FROM THIS MOMENT I WILL IMMEDIATELY STOP EVERY REFERRING ACTIVITIES THAT I DO!!!!

So 10$?

Didn't 770 poker offered 7.7$ for free, no ID checks or registering on website, than room stuff? ( I would kinda be happy to let go those 2.3$ just not to go trought register - fill info/ register - fill info/ ID check/ ID check stuff)

+ PKR few weaks ago had 1st depositor bonus -

1. FREE chipset
2. 20$ instant
3. 25$ in ticket

---- 10$ ??? ------

solution: give 10/10/10/10/10 (or something like that) - just make them rake, just how you did whit the 3d free bankroll that I did received...

Originally posted by MissBocker
Thanks again for your comments and suggestions.

We are always reviewing how things work and try and and improve them. We believe having checked player activity with the same amount that there will be more people reaching 100sp - which will result in more TaF money.

BUT, you also need 2 taf for one payment, cuz you can only withdraw at $50

fineprint and doublespeak itt

BUT, if you really want to push everybody back to playing with other RB affiliates on FT, then........

gg, wp