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6$; 10man turbo; bb300, T4s; freeplay, middle pair + FD, turnplay?

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wiarygodny
Joined: 16.07.2009

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $300(BB) Replayer
SB ($1,410)
Hero ($1,790)
UTG ($3,220)
UTG+1 ($2,090)
UTG+2 ($2,870)
CO ($2,620)
BTN ($6,000)

Dealt to Hero T♥ 4♥

fold, fold, fold, CO calls $300, fold, fold, Hero checks

FLOP ($750) 3♥ T♦ A♥

Hero bets $400, CO calls $400

TURN ($1,550) 3♥ T♦ A♥ 2♠

Hero checks, CO checks

RIVER ($1,550) 3♥ T♦ A♥ 2♠ T♣

Hero bets $1,090 (AI), CO folds

Hero shows T♥ 4♥

Hero wins $1,550

loose passive unknown 54/7/1.7/67

its more of a general question. how to play turn if we showed aggression on the flop with our combo, got called and the turn didn't improve our hand?

i guess there are gonna be 4 scenarios (to simplify it):
1) we're OOP, no showdown value
2) OOP, with SD value
3) IP, no SD value
4) IP, with SD value

i guess our line will also depend hugely on the aggression of our opponent, but lets forget abt it for now

my ideas:

Ad 1) ch/f unless given odds to draw?
Ad 2) ch/c almost any bet?
Ad 3) b/f unless given odds to draw?
Ad 4) ch back? or maybe b/c?


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kurrkabin
Joined: 12.10.2010

With our hand(some showdown value) vs this opponent(station) on this turn(low card, not scary) with this stack sizes(<1ps bet left on the turn) my play will be c/f.

Villain is a weak player. Fish. Else he wouldn't limp with these stack sizes. No matter whether he's a trapper(not folding KK on this Ax for <1ps bet left on the turn) or a loose station(not folding JT for <1ps bet left on the turn), we still have to c/f. We have blockers for the FD + we have some SD value, although I wouldn't be playing c/c on the turn.


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pArCh0n
Joined: 11.10.2010

So we most probably have 17 outs on the turn and our stack is 2/3 of the whole pot and we are check/folding ? Isn't that too weak ? Then why are we betting the flop and folding this turn?


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kurrkabin
Joined: 12.10.2010

It hurts a bit, but I have to admit- you have a point. I think that shoving turn is ok. It's close, but sometimes he will call worse + if he calls better, we get odds to outdrawn him. Thanks for noticing. So, taking a closer look at the hand, I think shoving turn could be actually better.


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