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Hello Dusty, pleno1, gyus,

A common spot playing vs agro fish, bet-potting with the majority of its range.

Preflop: Against that kind of opponents I prefer calling rather than 3-betting since drawing hands stay very well against his "style" but we don't want to invest too much money preflop as we will miss the flop very often. We can play our draws pretty comfortable in position with calling his pot bets having attractive implied odds (considering his expected aggression [& sizes] on later streets) and let him value own himself.

Flop: That flop is one we like against him. Calling with TP+gutshot gives us a good opportunity to stay in the hand on the turn. If even thinking about a raise on that flop I would make it mostly as a bluff since it is not clear enough about his expected mix of draws/better hands he will carry on with and I am not sure stack off here is the best move.

Turn: Sticking with the calling line on that turn card seems like not bad decision as our implied odds grow and we will probably be easily stacking him in position on our 10-12 outs with highly expected pot bet on any river there from plenty of pps and missed draws. Calling a river pot bet on a 2nd high card considering the SPR (both left with stacks with around the pot size) doesn’t seem a great idea so fold if missed. If a flush card which straitened our hand appears I will probably consider stack off. Bluffing if checked on the river I would check the hand down since not many weaker hands will be left there to call and c/c-ing is likely with the stronger ones (mostly some pps).

Scene #2 raise the flop and get it in.

Best regards,
Dean

Hi,
I have seen this post a bit late and there are already many good answers.
My point of view is a bit different :

1.We are first talking about 10€/20€ level, I don't expect to have many big fishes at this level.
2. The user is an aggro who is pushing the table but the difference between VPIP and PFR is not big for a 58% VPIP
3. He has been playing the session but we don't know the number of hands
4. 3 out of 3 shoves in the river is a small sample size. It looks maniac but he might be pushing to the extreme when the opponent has showned weakness and could both be with a better hand or a worse hand. We don't know.

5. He is not a preflop raiser but a caller. Callign range is therefore tighter and we can't not expect a 40% range. PReflop you are a aprox 65%/ 35% underdog against a 20-30% open call range and his range could be even smaller so check call 3 barrels doesnt seems the best strategy.

In this particular case, there are too many hands on both turn and river than can provide him the best hand. I will do the check / calling strategy with a strong made hand but a top pair (7's) bad kicker is not good enough.

The flop is a coordinated flop that we can represent. With a medium hand I want to know where I am standing, and I will make a raise on the flop. I have position on him and will be very difficult for him to call at least he has something.

If he rerasie me I will probably fold at least I know he is able to do it with pure bluff. If he calls I will proceed cautios depending on turn and river and play poker. But let him take control of the hand to someone who barrels a lot with a medium hand is not the best plan for me.

With my hand I want to win the pot right away.
Imho the flop call is an error. Once we call, the turn for me is a clear fold. I don't want to put all my stack with a second pair no matter what.

Thanks,
Jesus(Pkstarpro)

p.s . I will really enjoy a training with Leatherass9! JHopefully I already learned something from his videos already! And I know....is in Germany but doesnt matter!!!

Originally posted by pkstarpro

1.We are first talking about 10€/20€ level, I don't expect to have many big fishes at this level.
2. The user is an aggro who is pushing the table but the difference between VPIP and PFR is not big for a 58% VPIP

1. Most 10/20 games will not run without a fish at the table. There are big fish at all stakes.
2. Almost anyone with a vpip of 58 is a big fish; the fact that this player also has a high pfr just means he's aggro; not good.

:club:Good afternoon, Dasti!

Excuse for some incorrect offers as the text was translated from Russian.

First of all, from myself and as a whole on behalf of Russian community I want to thank you for your written book «Treat poker as to business» (which gives hope and self-confidence), and also videos written down by you which were translated into Russian and are provided for viewing to users of Russian community.

It is necessary to apply to an assessment of this distribution not only knowledge of statistics, notes on the opponent, but also on his expected thinking during game. That is it is necessary to mean a principle "metagame" - psychology of the opponent.

Situation on Flop: after the check Preflop an aggressor Player6, Player1 puts potbet (that actually is known to us «on the check puts in 100 % of cases»), the hero Call, having on hands top pair with a weak kiker, gathering additionally in principle from bluffs and semi-bluffs of the opponent. But there is a question: «If we know, what the opponent will often put a rate on a tern, then what sense has to the hero call flop?» Especially on a tern many cards leave, which will seldom strengthen our hand to the monster and the hero should be ready to make the decision after one more rate on a tern (that actually and occurred in this distribution). On a tern Player1 again puts potbet, the hero received additional small Equity in a look gutshot, but there is nobody not a secret that call potbet with pair and gutshot it is not favorable on sweat-odds. Especially call a tern the hero should be ready to make the difficult decision, knowing that Player1 will often play All-in river.
Whether and it is necessary to risk the stack in more 100bb to open such lines of draw of the opponent?
Then on River at this line of draw, the hero has two options for draw: a stake after an exit of the blank card (that is it was not closed presumable Flush Draw) or strengthenings of our hand (the street, two pairs etc.), or fold in other cases.

I consider that this line of draw of the hero isn't optimum and too dispersionly!
Therefore, if we have such notes on the opponent («that after the check it puts 100 % of cases …»), in this case on such flop about a top in pair hero will often have the best hand (for belief it is possible to check it by means of the program Equilab to insert an expected range of the opponent Player1 and to calculate our Equity on a prize …).

for example chances on a tern:

Борд: 6♠7♣4♣ T♠
Эквити Выигрыш Делёж
MP2 61.00% 59.18% 1.82% { 8h7h }
MP3 39.00% 37.18% 1.82% { JJ-22, AQs-A7s, A5s-A2s, K7s+, K5s, Q8s+, J8s+, T7s+, 97s+, 86s+, 75s+, 64s+, 54s, AQo-A7o, A5o, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T8o+, 98o, 87o }

Therefore it is better to solve everything already on flop, that is it is possible to play raise donkbet Player1 and to play call All-in. But at such draw there is a probability to get to expected hands monsters of a preflop-aggressor and his check / raise, but it will seldom occur.
The second option of draw is to temper flop, and to be ready raise a rate Player1 on a tern (especially in this distribution the hero received in addition Equity, having received gutshot). This line from our party will look very strongly.

There is such Russian proverb: «A wedge a wedge beat out». Understanding its sense, it is possible to apply it in poker, that is to resist to possible lines of draw of opponents (having on them information). That is, knowing this information on the opponent, we should reject fast pressure of a bluff and make it as it is possible cheaper, having delivered it to these in a difficult situation.

It is possible to call this opponent «aggressive fishy» and to understand logic of his actions: on the check of the opponent puts in 100 % of cases and multi-barreling up to All-in River. That is, if to look from its party, it is possible to assume logic of its actions: at such aggressive line weak hands of the opponent (also various draw) simply often aren't capable colitis of 3 barrels. In principle, only ready strong hands will be raise on such type of a board already on flop, as in this example.

The hero in turn should not allow similar bluffs from the opponent and give battle by it already on flop. And here already with a hand monster the Hero with this opponent (Player1) should play the check / call, to gather additionally from bluffs … it is not necessary to strain especially – fish itself for us everything will make and will pay for our NATS.

Here such thoughts arose at me on this distribution. Certainly it is possible to describe even more ideas on distribution … but it is already interesting to do it in the company of friends - regular players in poker. After all «How many people - are so much and opinions» (Russian proverb).

Thanks for attention!

Will the seminar also include advice on seat hopping, snap sitting out when the fish does, and how to yell racial slurs in your mic while on cam???

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So we know he is a maniac and seems very shove happy on the river, basically going balls out when checked to.

When he pots turn we have a decision, the pot is 1260 (63 bb's), and we have (128bb - 3 - 10.5 = 114.5 bb's left),

1) If we call the turn 31.5 bb bet, river will be 94,5 bb's, and we will have 83 bb's effective.

* a lot of river cards are really nasty on this board texture, and against this type of play calling turn and folding river is probably a mistake, considering how wide he is.

* calling turn and calling river, could be very tilting as well, for me personally losing a big pot against a player like this tilts me quite hard, so from a personal point of view this is something to consider for me, but obviously this is very player dependant.

* There is an advantage where we do have position on him, which is an important factor, he has shoved 3/3 rivers so far, but in theory that could have been anything, and the sample size hasn't been indicated, which would be a major factor, but I am continuing to assume that the sample size is relevant enough that this player is in fact a 58/40 with 100% bet when checked to stat and shoving 3/3 rivers.

Now calling does have merits for that by calling we keeping his range widest, and by raising the turn we may fold out things that we are ahead of, and isolating ourselves against hands that either have us beat or have some equity.

But on the other hand, picking up the pot right now is also a good result.

To answer the question:

What line do we like best?
1) I personally prefer to shove the turn, reasons being I think we are ahead of his range, I think he calls with any 5x, any FD(clubs and spades), could possible call with any 8x, any 9x, obviously he will also call with some better hands. AND I think he folds a lot which is a good result for us as well, our hand isn't strong enough to allow him to see a river card on his terms in my opinion.

Added to that the guess factor and possible tilt factor that comes into play when calling turn and calling river on certain cards and us being wrong. His range is so wide that we have no idea what river cards hit him and what doesn't, you can argue well I am folding on clubs or spades because that hit his range, but in reality any card higher than a 7 hits his range some % of the time and puts him ahead of us, doing EV calculations here doesn't matter, because you can't give him an accurate range at all.

If we play the same as hero whats our plan on what rivers?
2) I think if we play the same as hero, we just have to close our eyes and call the river, there is just no way you can just call this turn to fold any river given the reads we have on this player, calling turn and folding river is going to be very close to burning your money. You have no idea of knowing what card helps his range and what not, you don't know whether he shuts down with air, whether he continues to shove if he for example rivers an A, we simply have no idea.

So yeah playing as hero did, coming to the river I hate life and close my eyes and call.

Who plays flop differently?
3) I don't, I think flop play is fine, and definitely the best play, we don't know how he reacts to raises yet apparantly, and we kind of want that next big bet in on the turn with his wide range, call too keep his range wide, and keep his bluffing frequency up. Also we are not closing the action on the flop, the original preflop raiser could be trapping himself just as well (as he should) therefor raising the flop in my opinion is out of the question.

Who plays turn differently?
4) Already mentioned I prefer shoving the turn for the following benefits:
* Picking up the pot now is a good result.
* We are ahead of his range.
* Villain can call us with worse hands.
* We have done our trapping with our medium value hand, but we should not forget the real value of our hand is coming to the turn, the value of our hand from turn to river will vary a lot from being a medium value type hand on the turn, to being a low value bluff catcher on the river.

Calling to bluff catch the river with a weak bluff catcher, when villain will be able to bluff with better hands, and calling the turn to fold the river, both I think are not good results.

Conclusion:

I think our relative hand strength is too weak to continue check/bluffcatch his extreme bluffing frequencies, I think us shoving and him folding is a good result, and I think he can call with worse hands given his playertype so far.

I also think the immediate results of being wrong in our weak bluff catcher calling down turn AND river on a psychological level, often get overlooked. If we are a winning 10/20 player, and we are force to take a break if we are wrong doing this, or that we even get slightly minorly tilted because of this hand in a situation where edges are small (vs other regs), I think we should also take these things into consideration our future EV in this game running with this fish, our future life EV for the rest of our day, etc.

Shove turn

Hello,
Any update on this?

I would raise him enough on the turn so if he call he is left with only 1$

And on the river he is going to bet only 1$ so you will have to call because of the pots odd !

Pretty standard imo.

What's the status on this thing? This thread, 2+2 thread and the ticket counter site have been inactive for quite some time now, also no activity on Dusty's site itself for a long time, everything alright?

He guys,

unfortunately a decent part of our team is currently ill with a flu going around in Gibraltar. Still we are hoping to give you an answer about the status ASAP.
Please accept my apologies for the delay in response.

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Hey guys,

Spoke to Dusty yesterday. He will be on very soon for an update.

Good stuff, looking forward to it!

Hey,

Would there be a winner here? (before the seminar )

Regards,
Dean

yeah response from dusty please?

Was meant to be this week end.
A bit of a joke Dusty seriously....

It was specified it's recommended to buy the package first.. read between the lines imo.