Second pair on turn

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You should be asking in first place what's the point of CBetting there? Did the 8 change something in the equity of whilst we CBetting the flop? Was the flop CB for value?

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Flop cb was for value against 9x, straight and flush draws, but on the turn the board became even more coordinated. Surely we can vbet once more, but on the river we'll have a really bad situation when we check (and we surely will check most often), because he can both vbet and bluff very good there. The 8 on the turn definetely improved his range, but we still have like 38 percent.

Originally posted by Strangelet87
Flop cb was for value against 9x, straight and flush draws, but on the turn the board became even more coordinated. Surely we can vbet once more, but on the river we'll have a really bad situation when we check (and we surely will check most often), because he can both vbet and bluff very good there. The 8 on the turn definetely improved his range, but we still have like 38 percent.

True that the 8 may help some part of his range. But as we figured that we are value-betting vs 9x/FD and maybe even weaker PPs/floats we should be planning to Bet the turn as well. We still also have ourselves a GS and of course still even fold equity as vs JJ/QQ which could be sometimes some part of his calling range preflop/flop.

how much do we bet?

Ok, let's say we bet turn. But in such case what do we do on the river? Pray he doeesn't bet I guess. Because if he does, it's a lottery on almost any river card.

Originally posted by Strangelet87
Ok, let's say we bet turn. But in such case what do we do on the river? Pray he doeesn't bet I guess. Because if he does, it's a lottery on almost any river card.

Yeah river maybe difficult. But you are assuming that he is calling turn. You are also assuming he's calling turn with lots of draws that he might bluff riv with.

Originally posted by Tim64

Originally posted by Strangelet87
Ok, let's say we bet turn. But in such case what do we do on the river? Pray he doeesn't bet I guess. Because if he does, it's a lottery on almost any river card.

Yeah river maybe difficult. But you are assuming that he is calling turn. You are also assuming he's calling turn with lots of draws that he might bluff riv with.

For that we gonna need more information as how often he does fold to CBs etc. Clearly the turn 2nd barrel could be mainly for achieve a free showdown for river. Aka hoping to see him Checking the river.

The same line we could also pick Kx holdings by which we are going to turn our hand into bluff-catcher on the river. So he would also fear bluffing the river in that spot.