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Rihard4a
Joined: 08.09.2010

Lesson #8

Question 1: Post a hand for evaluation. (Post your hand in the No Limit: Hand Evaluations board, and provide a link to your hand in your private thread.)

turn the boat trap

Question 2: Evaluate one of the hands submitted by other members. ( Choose a hand from the No Limit: Hand Evaluations board and post your own evaluation in the thread. Post a link to the hand you have evaluated in your private thread. You can evaluate as many hands as you want, but try to choose hands not yet evaluated by other users first.)

bu KK A98

Question 3: Consider the following situation:

$100 NL Hold'em (9 handed)

Stacks & Stats:
UTG ($100)
UTG+1 ($100)
MP1 ($100)
MP2 ($100)
Hero ($100)
CO ($100)
BU ($100)
SB ($100)
BB ($100) (18/15/3.7/23/732)[VPIP/PFR/AF/WTS/Hands]

Preflop: Hero is BU with 8 :heart: , 9 :heart:
4 folds, Hero raises to $4.00, 3 folds, BB calls $4.00

Flop: ($8.50) 3 :heart: , 6 :heart: , 8 :diamond: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $5.50 BB calls $5.50

Turn: ($19.50) J :heart: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero...

What action would you take, and why?

I would bet the turn to protect my self from being bluffed on the river. And also the bet would protect my flush from a higher flush on the river if a card x :heart: would come.

BONUS Question 4 (optional question): Consider the following situation:

$200 NL Hold'em (6 handed)

Stacks & Stats:
MP2 (Hero) ($327.95)
MP3 ($207.45)
CO ($415.55) (TAG)
BU ($373.60) (TAG)
SB ($200.00)
BB ($218.00)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 7 :heart: , 8 :heart:
Hero raises to $7, 1 folds, CO raises to $23, BU calls $23, SB folds, BB folds, Hero calls $16

Flop: ($72) 7 :club: , 8 :spade: , 8 :diamond: (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, BU bets $52, Hero calls, CO calls

Turn: ($228) K :diamond: (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, BU checks

River: ($228) Q :heart: (3 players)
Hero bets $110, CO raises to $340.55 (All-in), BU folds, Hero?

What factors and concepts that you have learned so far would you use in evaluating this situation? What would your action be?

In this kind of spot it is an easy call to an all-in. As identified that we are against TAG, then he might have hit two top pairs. Well he definitely will play any of AQ+ , AK+ , QQ+ ranges so aggressively. Well basically in this spot we have the best odds of winning the hand so no other option that just call the shove.


Board: 8♦8♠7♣ K♦ Q♥
       Equity     Win     Tie
MP2    97.38%  97.18%   0.20% { 8h7h }
CO      1.31%   1.21%   0.10% { random }
BU      1.31%   1.21%   0.10% { random }


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veriz
Joined: 20.07.2008

Good Job! Homework #7 Done!

About Question #3:
In this case, you decided to bet out yourself and two players behind you go all-in. You would have to invest $8.40 in order to participate in a $22 pot, which corresponds to an equity of 27.63%.

Board: Q:h 3:s 2:h
Dead:

Equity Win DrawLoss Hand
Player 1: 38.538% 38.538% 0.000% 61.462% 5h4h
Player 2: 14.540% 14.540% 0.000% 85.460% QQ+
Player 3: 46.921% 46.921% 0.000% 53.079% 22-33

You get the required odds even when you're exclusively up against very strong hands!

About Question #4:
Top pair / top kicker has been and will always be a hand that's tough to play, especially in a multi-way pot. In this case, you've hit a nice flop, but you're up against 3 opponents on a dry board which doesn't allow for any dangerous draws.

A fold on this board is, of course, too weak. You can't really hit much better and there might be worse Ax hands willing to pay you off.

If you think that your opponent(s) is/are often willing to go broke on the flop with worse hands, raising might not be the worst of choices. But one thing is clear: if you raise, you have to go all-in on the flop! Raise/fold with your top pair is absolutely out of question.

Even though this might leave a bitter aftertaste in a 4-way pot, you should play this like a way ahead / way behind spot here - by playing it passive, you will extract the maximum from weaker hands and bluffs while avoiding big losses against stronger hands.

Best of Luck on the Tables.


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veriz
Joined: 20.07.2008

Good Job! Homework #8 Done!

About Question #3:
In this case, the right answer is quite obvious. Both AF and WTS speak in favor of a check behind for bluff induce. But your hand is too strong here, so you want to get it all-in on the turn. There are a lot of hands you still have to protect against, too. Playing for bluff induce or pot control would simply be too weak and dangerous.

About Question #4:
About preflop play I'd say that it's still doable while we even are a bit deeper. I expect the hero to play solid postflop play. So Calling is definitely fine here with having 2 opponents in the hand and getting great implied odds. But for more beginners it's definitely a very close spot while they ain't gonna be able to lay down weak hands.

As we have the information that CO is a TAG player. Therefore, we expect him to have a strong 3bet range. Unless we have some other information like he has a wide 3bet range. But while we don’t have that, we basically consider his range to be something QQ+, AK or sometimes even tighter.

So now you have to ask yourself what kind of hands would play like this on river? KK may slowplay like this. QQ definitely is as well in his range. AK/AA he wouldn’t play this way since he know himself as well that he isn’t going to get Called by worse hands. So basically it’s up to the nuts most often. You only beat bluff there and I don’t expect the opponent to bluff in this case unless we know the table dynamics better.

Best of Luck in The Exam!


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veriz
Joined: 20.07.2008

Good Job! Your exam is done and evaluated! Congratulations, you have PASSED!

I would now advice to take a look at the No Limit Advanced Learning path. Which is located here: No Limit Advanced Learning Path. Although it's without any homework but it's still a path which will help you get the understanding of more advanced stuff. Although it may require higher ranks. Some may require even Gold status.

You are still welcome to use this thread for your progress and if you face any questions about your play/stats or anything you want to ask. Also don't hesitate to continue posting hands which I will be most likely evaluating.

About your exam:
You did take the exam really seriously and that's only good since the more seriously you take poker the more likely it will be that you invest enough time into to it to become a good poker player. I did really like the answers of yours. Although of course as most of the students you had also problems with the math tasks, needs still improvement. But well, it's more advanced part so I wouldn't really be worried about that! You did really great overall.

We most likely gonna continue evaluating your hands and of course your overall progress in this thread in future. We still have some leaks to fix.

In future we gonna concentrate more on your hands and try to fix some leaks which. Hopefully you gonna continue posting in the thread. We could take a look at stats and many different kind of things. Maybe even some mindset problem. :)

Do you have any questions about the exam?

Good Luck on the Tables and with the next learning Path. If you have any questions don't hesitate to hop in your Locker Room thread and ask or post your progress.


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Rihard4a
Joined: 08.09.2010

Glad to hear from you veriz! I happy to hear that I passed my exam, one question probably would be how many marks did I get?

And by the way, how do I get my badge in my singnature then? :)

Thanks for the tips on learning path, gonna definitelly check them out. :)


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Rihard4a
Joined: 08.09.2010

Y U NO GIVE BADGE?

:rage:


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veriz
Joined: 20.07.2008

Originally posted by Rihard4a

Y U NO GIVE BADGE?

:rage:

I am not able to do that. I already have asked them to do but I don't know why nobody did that. Maybe just should somehow ask them if I somehow could get the access to it...

About your points I can't really comment on that part, but you did really good as you have been working hard on your game. I am pretty sure you will proceed with the future poker gaming only in better way, just try to stay focused and improving your game. Lets of course not forget about post hands, watching videos etc. :)


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Rihard4a
Joined: 08.09.2010

Thanks veriz! :) I really do work hard on my game, I read a lot and analyse what other people write on the forums etc. Reading some books as well poker related.

This is my graph so far for this month playing NL2 SH!

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I hope I can get my badge soon! Wanna be cool as the other guys. _cool:


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veriz
Joined: 20.07.2008

Originally posted by Rihard4a
Thanks veriz! :) I really do work hard on my game, I read a lot and analyse what other people write on the forums etc. Reading some books as well poker related.

This is my graph so far for this month playing NL2 SH!

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I hope I can get my badge soon! Wanna be cool as the other guys. _cool:

Wow, that graph looks nice. :) You really doing progress, hope to see you beating da limits and moving up the stakes to serious action. Gogogo and soon @ NL25. :)


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Rihard4a
Joined: 08.09.2010

Thanks for the support veriz! :) Here are some hands from today's session which I posted in my blog as well.

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Hand #1

Okay in this hand you may say that I should've folded that turn. Yes you are probably right if I would play a decent TAG or Nit. However the villain has been fishy for the last couple of hands I played against him and watched other hands. I think he was overvaluing some of his hands, and also a lot of air hits his aggressive range. On the river, when I hit the nuts, I knew is going to bluffbet there with any two just to push my weaker hand there. I hope I made my actions clear.

IPoker, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

CO: $2.24 (112 bb)
BTN: $0.93 (46.5 bb)
Hero (SB): $5.66 (283 bb)
BB: $2.17 (108.5 bb)
UTG: $1.08 (54 bb)
MP: $1.03 (51.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A♣ Q♣
2 folds, CO raises to $0.06, BTN folds, Hero raises to $0.18, BB folds, CO calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.38) T♠ 6♥ K♠ (2 players)
Hero bets $0.20, CO calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.78) 2♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

River: ($1.78) J♦ (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.36 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.36

Results: $4.50 pot ($0.30 rake)
Final Board: T♠ 6♥ K♠ 2♥ J♦
CO showed K♣ A♠ and lost (-$2.24 net)
Hero mucked A♣ Q♣ and won $4.20 ($1.96 net)

Hand #2

Pretty standard play against a fish with really wide range. VPIP ~74.

IPoker, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

MP: $3.72 (186 bb)
CO: $1.79 (89.5 bb)
BTN: $0.93 (46.5 bb)
Hero (SB): $2 (100 bb)
BB: $5.24 (262 bb)
UTG: $1.82 (91 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K♦ A♦
2 folds, CO calls $0.02, BTN folds, Hero raises to $0.08, BB folds, CO calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.18) K♠ 7♣ 4♣ (2 players)
Hero bets $0.13, CO raises to $0.57, Hero raises to $1.72, CO calls $1.14

Turn: ($3.60) 7♥ (2 players)
River: ($3.60) 3♣ (2 players)

Results: $3.60 pot ($0.24 rake)
Final Board: K♠ 7♣ 4♣ 7♥ 3♣
CO showed K♣ 9♥ and lost (-$1.79 net)
Hero mucked K♦ A♦ and won $3.36 ($1.57 net)

Hand #3

This is against a TAG. Preflop, I think that his CO 3-bet call range are TT+ and some broadways. And pretty much on the flop his range misses pretty hard so I think call is appropriate and standard c/c turn and river.

IPoker, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $3.83 (191.5 bb)
Hero (SB): $2.26 (113 bb)
BB: $4.49 (224.5 bb)
MP: $2.13 (106.5 bb)
CO: $0.57 (28.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A♦ K♥
MP folds, CO raises to $0.08, BTN folds, Hero raises to $0.24, BB calls $0.22, CO raises to $0.57 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.33, BB calls $0.33

Flop: ($1.71) 7♣ 4♥ 7♠ (3 players, 1 is all-in)
Hero checks, BB bets $0.22, Hero calls $0.22

Turn: ($2.15) J♣ (3 players, 1 is all-in)
Hero checks, BB checks

River: ($2.15) 7♦ (3 players, 1 is all-in)
Hero checks, BB checks

Results: $2.15 pot ($0.14 rake)
Final Board: 7♣ 4♥ 7♠ J♣ 7♦
Hero mucked A♦ K♥ and won $2.01 ($1.22 net)
BB showed K♣ Q♠ and lost (-$0.79 net)
CO showed A♥ Q♦ and lost (-$0.57 net)

Hand #4

Standard I guess.

IPoker, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $2.71 (135.5 bb)
BB: $1.10 (55 bb)
UTG: $3.07 (153.5 bb)
MP: $1.87 (93.5 bb)
Hero (CO): $3.95 (197.5 bb)
BTN: $2.67 (133.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q♣ Q♦
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.08, BTN calls $0.08, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.19) 6♦ 4♦ 7♣ (2 players)
Hero bets $0.14, BTN calls $0.14

Turn: ($0.47) T♠ (2 players)
Hero bets $0.35, BTN raises to $1.14, Hero raises to $3.73 and is all-in, BTN folds

Results: $2.75 pot ($0.18 rake)
Final Board: 6♦ 4♦ 7♣ T♠
Hero mucked Q♣ Q♦ and won $2.57 ($1.21 net)
BTN mucked and lost (-$1.36 net)


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veriz
Joined: 20.07.2008

Originally posted by Rihard4a
Thanks for the support veriz! :) Here are some hands from today's session which I posted in my blog as well.

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Hand #1

Okay in this hand you may say that I should've folded that turn. Yes you are probably right if I would play a decent TAG or Nit. However the villain has been fishy for the last couple of hands I played against him and watched other hands. I think he was overvaluing some of his hands, and also a lot of air hits his aggressive range. On the river, when I hit the nuts, I knew is going to bluffbet there with any two just to push my weaker hand there. I hope I made my actions clear.

IPoker, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

CO: $2.24 (112 bb)
BTN: $0.93 (46.5 bb)
Hero (SB): $5.66 (283 bb)
BB: $2.17 (108.5 bb)
UTG: $1.08 (54 bb)
MP: $1.03 (51.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A♣ Q♣
2 folds, CO raises to $0.06, BTN folds, Hero raises to $0.18, BB folds, CO calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.38) T♠ 6♥ K♠ (2 players)
Hero bets $0.20, CO calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.78) 2♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

River: ($1.78) J♦ (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.36 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.36

Results: $4.50 pot ($0.30 rake)
Final Board: T♠ 6♥ K♠ 2♥ J♦
CO showed K♣ A♠ and lost (-$2.24 net)
Hero mucked A♣ Q♣ and won $4.20 ($1.96 net)

Hand #2

Pretty standard play against a fish with really wide range. VPIP ~74.

IPoker, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

MP: $3.72 (186 bb)
CO: $1.79 (89.5 bb)
BTN: $0.93 (46.5 bb)
Hero (SB): $2 (100 bb)
BB: $5.24 (262 bb)
UTG: $1.82 (91 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K♦ A♦
2 folds, CO calls $0.02, BTN folds, Hero raises to $0.08, BB folds, CO calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.18) K♠ 7♣ 4♣ (2 players)
Hero bets $0.13, CO raises to $0.57, Hero raises to $1.72, CO calls $1.14

Turn: ($3.60) 7♥ (2 players)
River: ($3.60) 3♣ (2 players)

Results: $3.60 pot ($0.24 rake)
Final Board: K♠ 7♣ 4♣ 7♥ 3♣
CO showed K♣ 9♥ and lost (-$1.79 net)
Hero mucked K♦ A♦ and won $3.36 ($1.57 net)

Hand #3

This is against a TAG. Preflop, I think that his CO 3-bet call range are TT+ and some broadways. And pretty much on the flop his range misses pretty hard so I think call is appropriate and standard c/c turn and river.

IPoker, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $3.83 (191.5 bb)
Hero (SB): $2.26 (113 bb)
BB: $4.49 (224.5 bb)
MP: $2.13 (106.5 bb)
CO: $0.57 (28.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A♦ K♥
MP folds, CO raises to $0.08, BTN folds, Hero raises to $0.24, BB calls $0.22, CO raises to $0.57 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.33, BB calls $0.33

Flop: ($1.71) 7♣ 4♥ 7♠ (3 players, 1 is all-in)
Hero checks, BB bets $0.22, Hero calls $0.22

Turn: ($2.15) J♣ (3 players, 1 is all-in)
Hero checks, BB checks

River: ($2.15) 7♦ (3 players, 1 is all-in)
Hero checks, BB checks

Results: $2.15 pot ($0.14 rake)
Final Board: 7♣ 4♥ 7♠ J♣ 7♦
Hero mucked A♦ K♥ and won $2.01 ($1.22 net)
BB showed K♣ Q♠ and lost (-$0.79 net)
CO showed A♥ Q♦ and lost (-$0.57 net)

Hand #4

Standard I guess.

IPoker, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $2.71 (135.5 bb)
BB: $1.10 (55 bb)
UTG: $3.07 (153.5 bb)
MP: $1.87 (93.5 bb)
Hero (CO): $3.95 (197.5 bb)
BTN: $2.67 (133.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q♣ Q♦
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.08, BTN calls $0.08, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.19) 6♦ 4♦ 7♣ (2 players)
Hero bets $0.14, BTN calls $0.14

Turn: ($0.47) T♠ (2 players)
Hero bets $0.35, BTN raises to $1.14, Hero raises to $3.73 and is all-in, BTN folds

Results: $2.75 pot ($0.18 rake)
Final Board: 6♦ 4♦ 7♣ T♠
Hero mucked Q♣ Q♦ and won $2.57 ($1.21 net)
BTN mucked and lost (-$1.36 net)

You might want to post some of those hands, cause it seems that not only 1 hand is played not the best way you could. :) Wouldn't want to go into deeper analyze here in this section, so feel free to post them into Hand Evaluation forums as long I am also awake now.


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