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When will PS.com add strategy contents???

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Joined: 03.08.2009
TJtheTJ
Joined: 12.10.2011

They make you think that you actually have learned, while in reality you have not.

This is not true. As long as you learn actively, be it through videos or reading, you will learn something. Of course just watching a video passively doesn't help at all, but the same goes for reading an article. You can also read an article passively. You'll have to mark passages, make notes, or whatever works for the individual reading the article. Just reading it once (maybe twice) won't do someone much good, unless they have some sort of photographic memory (which not many people have).

Again, I'm not saying videos are better than reading or vice versa. But the statement you make here is simply not true.

Aside of that, I definitely agree! :) If you are not able to explain the theory to someone else, you probably don't know it well enough.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

I am not arguing against your last point (because I agree).

Then we could argue forever about what would be efficient learning. Plenty of people knowing that "keeping you ranges intact" is probably good because somebody said that, or few people reading a printed article on perceived ranges ten times over (until they understand)? What is efficiency here?

What really helps in learning is thinking. Knowledge acquired by remembering is of less value that knowledge acuired by understanding. This is, in turn, less valuable than deriving the result in question from scratch yourself. If a concept is understood from watching a video or reading an article is not really important. But I stil think that the likelihood of somebody taking the struggle to acually learn well is less when watching a video. On the other hand, more people will watch the video than will read the article.

The responsibility of learning well has to be that of the PS member. Providing both videos and articles is the best PS could do. Sadly, I fear that PS is much happier with 500 video viewers with no clue than 10 highly critlical and demanding readers of an advanced article. I guess I'll have to live with that :).

Videos has the tendecy to become old, not for any particular reason except age. People don' watch a month old video. Written material ages in a different way. It will still be there (and sometimes actually read), but the content might not stand up to inspection.

/Johan = :f_confused:


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TJtheTJ
Joined: 12.10.2011

I agree with pretty much everything you're saying, I don't really have anything to add.

Like you said, the one who actually has to learn it is responsible for whether or not they learn efficiently, whether it is from watcing videos or from reading articles.

Not everyone learns well from videos, not everyone learns well from articles. I think it's up to PS to find the right balance here. I'd personally prefer every article to have an accompanying video, and that there is video content provided on the side as well. But that's just me.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Originally posted by tokyoaces
I'm a native English speaker but ...

My vote goes to English subtitles for the videos as opposed to dubbing them.
[My tweak above in green above]
...

Sorry about quoting you absolutely falsely. However, I stole your idea and I tweaked it to something I believe is really really good. As a fringe benifit, people here will quickly learn german and russian instead of (fake or real) broken english accents.

When it commes to learing languages, the passive way shouldn't be underestimated.

/Johan = :f_confused:


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Who would have thought that a simple request would turn into such a great discussion?

There is also the matter of learning style.
Some people learn better visually, some aurally, and some kinesthetically.
Seeing, hearing or doing.

In all cases, though, it is important to PROCESS the information to some degree in order for it to stick.

Taking notes.
Read (or watch) a bit, then try it yourself.
Repeat in your own words what you just read (or watched).

No matter what your style, no matter how you process the information, you must put out sufficient effort with a willing attitude in order to gain any real benefit from the exercise.


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TJtheTJ
Joined: 12.10.2011

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
Who would have thought that a simple request would turn into such a great discussion?

There is also the matter of learning style.
Some people learn better visually, some aurally, and some kinesthetically.
Seeing, hearing or doing.

In all cases, though, it is important to PROCESS the information to some degree in order for it to stick.

Taking notes.
Read (or watch) a bit, then try it yourself.
Repeat in your own words what you just read (or watched).

No matter what your style, no matter how you process the information, you must put out sufficient effort with a willing attitude in order to gain any real benefit from the exercise.

+1

This is 100% true :)


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UPAY4DINNER
Joined: 28.09.2009

Yes, indeed great discussion in here.

I, personally prefer to read articles than watch videos but this is my best/favoured way of learning material.

As has been mentioned above our head of Poker school is currently away at the moment but I will flag this thread to him on his return :)

Seasons' greetings!
Gary


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Xantos
Joined: 07.09.2005

Hey guys,

it's true that we probably were a bit too have on videos + coachings + forum support compared to articles and aligned quizzes.

This is a leak we spotted and we're already since some time working on revised articles, first focussing on No-Limit.

So: feedback taken! And our team is working on it, where e.g. our known coach KTU takes a leading role! :)

Lutz


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xenomorphic
Joined: 29.12.2010

looking forward to this :)


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UPAY4DINNER
Joined: 28.09.2009

Thank you for that news Lutz :)


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