A2o in BB v SB, call down line on J5296

The raising of "tone" here is entirely due to moadorjan. He, and the arguments that he refers to, (those of Boomer, he is too lazy to go through himself), are not even presented. He is entirely being rude.

Avataren, you should perhaps idolize a different set of players? You are naturally not going to catch the anger of any of these guys as you accept whatever they say. There is a tremendeous amout of ass-licking going about here. Madorjan is the most horrible example of that I have ever seen. He is an immature idiot. Boomer is better, but he becomes lesss good whenever he is questioned. If he expects a blowjow, and teh doesn't get a blowjob, he is pissed.

/Johan =

As I said, Yohan vs the whole world.♦

Oh, btw, still waiting for your professional opinion on what I wrote.

Not exactly. Versus you. But that perhaps counts as the whole world?

/Johan =

And vs Boomer, and Avataren, just in this thread. Not to mention a lot of other people in several other threads.

Look, man, we (and by we I mean quite a lot of community members) tried to help, tried to make you see your mistakes, your stubbornness, your arrogance, your absolutely childish behaviour towards critique. Tried to make you see why someone who you asked for help multiple times (like me) will be unhelpful by time. We failed, you decided to ignore all of our opinion, and stick with yours - as always. The problem is that you understand and aware of the fact you're like this, do act this way, and still get surprised when people don't like/accept you or just don't agree with you. You once wrote me in a private message, that I was right about your stubbornness and borderline unacceptable manners. What did you do to try and change that? Nothing.

Please review the following (example - by far not exhaustive) selection of threads, and reconsider your place in this community:
a fold
How do you cope?
Ideal stats for Micro-/Smallstakes
A2o in BB v SB, call down line on J5296

I really didn't want to write what this publicly, tried to hint you in several spots, and told you privately. Didn't work, so here we go.

You are probably the puniest little prick that I have encountered. You are a sincere litlle asshole. That is "madorjan" for you. A citizen of a country with a recent history of mass murder is simply not to be entrusted.

/Johan =

Originally posted by YohanN7
You are probably the puniest little prick that I have encountered. You are a sincere litlle asshole. That is "madorjan" for you. A citizen of a country with a recent history of mass murder is simply not to be entrusted.

/Johan =

Good point, I'll take that into account next time. Oh wait...

Originally posted by madorjan

Originally posted by YohanN7
You are probably the puniest little prick that I have encountered. You are a sincere litlle asshole. That is "madorjan" for you. A citizen of a country with a recent history of mass murder is simply not to be entrusted.

/Johan =

Good point, I'll take that into account next time. Oh wait...

Spoiler

Yohan, you should realize that the main problem here is not only you being wrong, but also being extremely foolish about it. And ending up talking about nationalities, as if madorjan or anyone else was to be blame for that... I think it crosses all boundaries, not only of correctness but also of common sense.

madorjan i would advise you to get a mod here to help in this case. I dont think this is worth your time anymore. I completely support everything you wrote above madorjan.

I am sorry to say this but I think Yohan that you need to stop being a part of this community. You have crossed the line just like jleitmotiv says. As i see it you have nothing more to offer about poker and as a person to us anymore. now you attack madorjan about nationalities. calling him a lot of bad stuff. This is simply not acceptable especially not as a part of a community. or as a person in general.

Please lets stop this conversation , contact a mod or two and lets have them decide Yohan's further fate on these boards should be. I know with myself that i am not going to talk to you anymore Yohan. This is simply too much and i see it as a waste of time. I have only ever tried to help you and you bash at me aswell as we all see in the above posts you have written to or about me. madorjan also provides a few threads where it becomes painfully obvious that we need to have some sort of action taken against your behavior.

Originally posted by YohanN7
The raising of "tone" here is entirely due to moadorjan. He, and the arguments that he refers to, (those of Boomer, he is too lazy to go through himself), are not even presented. He is entirely being rude.

Avataren, you should perhaps idolize a different set of players? You are naturally not going to catch the anger of any of these guys as you accept whatever they say. There is a tremendeous amout of ass-licking going about here. Madorjan is the most horrible example of that I have ever seen. He is an immature idiot. Boomer is better, but he becomes lesss good whenever he is questioned. If he expects a blowjow, and teh doesn't get a blowjob, he is pissed.

/Johan =

OK this stops here

I don't know where you've got this opinion of me. Having an honest disagreement about a way to play a hand is nothing to do with getting angry. You have blown everything said against you out of proportion and taken every disagreement with you as a personal attack which has now resulted in a strategy thread degenerating into name calling and borderline xenophobia which will not be tolerated.

FWIW I do have Super Moderator powers but as of this post I have not decided to use them because I see it as potentially being seen as having a conflict of interest considering it could just be seen as me exercising my power to "strike down those who don't give me a blowjob"

Yohan, seriously, I just advise you to look at the answers you get from us on strategy questions and try to figure out where we are coming from and what we are ACTUALLY saying rather than trying to twist it to fit your arguement.

You said bet/folding is entirely exploitable and then, when confronted with the fact it isn't, simply changed to saying bet/folding too much is exploitable which, while true, isn't your original statement and this is why some of the guys find it frustrating sometimes as you can sometimes end up with self-fullfilling prophecies (like the guy who posts a hand, gets told his play is bad and then comes up with a mega-read about why he's right rather than accepting he can be wrong)

However that's not to say everyone else is without fault. I may have been too blunt with some answers I've given and maddy has also been overly aggressive in spots but I think you'll find the vast majority of PS guys get a lot out of the strategy and videos we do.

We're not against people disagreeing with us, that's what these boards are for. If everyone agreed it would be dull. But "Win at all costs" argueing doesn't help anyone either and degenerates into trolling.

For now I'm going to let this slide and effectively call this a final warning. If anything like this starts again I will elevate it, or at least seek advice regarding it

Thanks Guys. Boomer

Many lines have been crossed, and I was the one crossing most of them. I am not very proud of that at all. I can understand if you don't want to see me around.

The other day I was thinking about how nice a game poker is. People around it are smart and sophisticated. Then I behave in a way that is anything but smart and sophisticated.

How did this happen? Can I make it go away? I guess not. I'll stop posting since you are all in agreement that I only post rubbish.

/Johan =

Hi there Yohan!
My 2 cents:

'How did this happen?'
You started with a valid question of how the hand could be played, then you ended up fighting for it somehow. In short, you just wanted to 'be right'. Common on earth. Some similarities to tilt.

'Can I make it go away?'
As you can see in the posts here, it's already OK. They will continue to help out. Of course we want you here. But no one want to get 'jumped on'. Maybe you felt that and that's why it got out of hand. However, no lives or teeth were lost. But, Sadam; there's a bad man.

'Probably not.'
Incorrect. You realised you 'lost it', published an official appology, it's OK (no more assaults providing of course).

+1 for me:
I learned the clear cut definition of Free Showdown Raise. I also isolated a subject for study: turn raises. Many times a donk on the river is pointed against a suspected FSDR. And how to exploit this against various player types. I can make a FSDR against some passive players when I think I can be ahead. And also identify the players who will 3-bet me with both draws and made hands.

Cheers

Originally posted by ZeroDegrees
Hi there Yohan!
My 2 cents:

'How did this happen?'
You started with a valid question of how the hand could be played, then you ended up fighting for it somehow. In short, you just wanted to 'be right'. Common on earth. Some similarities to tilt.

'Can I make it go away?'
As you can see in the posts here, it's already OK. They will continue to help out. Of course we want you here. But no one want to get 'jumped on'. Maybe you felt that and that's why it got out of hand. However, no lives or teeth were lost. But, Sadam; there's a bad man.

'Probably not.'
Incorrect. You realised you 'lost it', published an official appology, it's OK (no more assaults providing of course).

+1 for me:
I learned the clear cut definition of Free Showdown Raise. I also isolated a subject for study: turn raises. Many times a donk on the river is pointed against a suspected FSDR. And how to exploit this against various player types. I can make a FSDR against some passive players when I think I can be ahead. And also identify the players who will 3-bet me with both draws and made hands.

Cheers

sorry but thats not true. Its not OK .. he crossed some lines that won't be forgiven and shouldn't be forgiven. In my mind I can't forgive him and won't talk to him and I don't want him on these boards because I don't believe he will change. Harsh words and i may be wrong but that is what I believe and think of his actions. We gave him LOTS of chances to stop his behavior , we pmed him , we told him publicly. yet he continued to go his own way. And only after Boomer showed that he has the authority to exclude yohan from the boards and gave him a final warning he suddenly stops and apologizes.
I have respect that he can apologize but i think its one time too late .. try and read how he included Boomer when he was replying to madorjan just above these posts When clearly Boomer never would engage in personal attacks and blowjobs arse lickings and all that stuff that was said. As i understand Boomer only disagreed with Yohan's thinking about the poker.

Originally posted by Boomer2k10
However that's not to say everyone else is without fault. I may have been too blunt with some answers I've given and maddy has also been overly aggressive in spots but I think you'll find the vast majority of PS guys get a lot out of the strategy and videos we do.

hahaha poker pro jargon ♦