Originally posted by oblioo
Originally posted by IronPumper
What I will do is now this:
I will post here a passive-defending-range vs. a tighter Co-stealrange with a size > Minraise, which siete was advicing:TT-77,AQs-ATs,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,T9s,98s,AJo,KQ - those are only 7%
(so at this point I already have the hope that I indeed defended too static and too tight vs. ~Co_Minsteals and could fix a leak here with the help of you and this thread)In addition to this coldcallrange, we woul 3b for value JJ+, AQo+, AKs and light 3bets ome Axs, Kxs and some SCs/SOGs which we do no have anymore in your coldcallrange...
Ok,
so my questions would be now:
1.) How you would correct/optimize now my coldcallrange vs. Co-Minsteals vs a Co-stealrange of bout 30% - again Im looking for a startingpoint, so we have no infos on Villain`s postflopplay (I will post here my suggestion).
2.) How does this change when youre in the SB w
- a fish in the BB
- good Reg in the BBMy suggestion for a coldcallrange in BBvsCo (<=2,3x-Openraise) agaisnt a 27-32% Co-range:
TT-66,AQs-ATs,A5s-A2s,K9s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T8s+,98s,87s,76s,AJo,KQo
Im not sure bout if we rly wanan call here A6s-A9s, stuff like ATo and KJo and worse SCs/SOGs and worse Kxs, Qxs, J8s-hands.
You agree that small PPs willl usually not show a profit here?
It is jsut tthat still we are OOP vs. a ~30%-range, not a ~60%+-range, what would be oftentimes the case in BBvsBTN...After you have posted your corrrections:
How have you found you default-Defendranges here?
Mb throughout DB-analysis, talkin with other strong players, etc...?I'd like to get opinions from others about this as well, but BB vs CO minraise I think we can be defending something like K5s+, all suited aces like I said (yes A7s is plenty strong enough to flat with), 76s+, 97s+, J8s+, K9o+, 22+, A8o+, and obviously the hands you mentioned. No I don't agree that small PPs will not show a profit: assuming villain will usually cbet, we are effectively getting approximately 6.5:1, and the odds of flopping a set are ~7.5:1, so we're almost getting direct odds to setmine.
To answer your question about how it changes from the SB, without getting too specific, it should be significantly tighter (i.e. we should be folding a lot of these hands since we're getting worse odds and we're not closing the action), and we should be 3betting more with hands that we generally don't want to play multiway OOP or get squeezed with. With a fish in the BB we can flat more, especially high card hands, and with a reg in the BB we can tighten up and 3bet more.
Interesting - thx for your input^^
Your range looks here and there rly loose to me - exspecially the 22-55 and A8o-A90 feels like a pain to me- but mb this is the way to go - I have to admitt that I cannot answer this, but I will for sure take your input and explore the topic further (mbmake some DB-checks what crusher-regs are doing here and talk bout it in my studygroups or so...
btw.,
when youre in SB and BB is a fish and a reg in Co opens, then you flatting offsuited Broadways such as KJo, QJo is clearly nice, when the fish is a big one.
tbh, I notsure anymore if this is also true when the fish is more like a 35/18-fish and if not mb 3betting will yield here longterm moreEV...?
The thing is that vs. such a fish who is inder the fishes more of a better fish, I dunno if it is enough to try to flop a good pair and go for value (often by leading out with relative worst position, unless the board is rly dry...).
With suited Broadways this is not problem cause you also flop often enough some EQ, nice BackdoorEQ in addition to flopping a vlauehand - so you will be more often able to lead out and do something postflop....
What are your thoughts on this?
edit:
what about QJo, JTo, QTo...?
so it seems thatyou passively defend like 22% in this spot in adition to some 3betting (likely like 7-9%)
so you give fulgas here^^
As said, will explore this further and mb I had all the time a big leak here - that would be great news then^^
ah btw, how much does this all change vs a >=2,5x-Co-Steal (Co-range shall be between 24 and 28%)?
Would you then agree more with siete`s range or would you also there coldcall more?
Thx so far^^
