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6max hyper: 2nd pair vs BvB limp

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dydukas
Joined: 01.05.2009

PokerStars - $6.71+$0.29|60/120 Ante 12 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 528 (VPIP: 41.28, PFR: 16.87, 3Bet Preflop: 9.52, Hands: 115)
BTN: 497 (VPIP: 42.46, PFR: 30.87, 3Bet Preflop: 11.27, Hands: 828)
SB: 928 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 45)
Hero (BB): 1,047

4 players post ante of 12, SB posts SB 60, Hero posts BB 120

Pre Flop: (pot: 228) Hero has Q♣ 7♦

fold, fold, SB calls 60, Hero checks

Flop: (288, 2 players) 5♣ A♦ Q♠
SB bets 120, Hero calls 120

Turn: (528, 2 players) T♦
SB bets 120, Hero calls 120

River: (768, 2 players) 3♠
SB bets 556 and is all-in, ?

Is my hand strong enough to call down here? I was afraid my kicker might not be good and that's against another CL so risk premium adds up. Maybe I should have been more aggressive on some street?

Another thing is I was wondering if any of the evaluators uses Icmizer and knows how to use that EvCheck thingie vs limps effectively. I set it to recommended -0,5 but intuitively get way too tight shoving ranges.


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kurrkabin
Joined: 12.10.2010

I use ICMizer, but I don't get your question...you assign villain to limp,give him a limping range and then a range he calls on a shove out of that limping range to see what hands are profitable pushing.

Not sure what that EV check thingy you speak about is though,seems like I don't see it there, sorry.

As for the hand-why not push it preflop? That would be my normal line unless villain did something very unusual by limping.

As for postflop-My my experience, judging by his bet sizing on T and R, he wants to hook u up to the pot imo and make u pay off with worse.

He doesn't rep much, let me tell u this, it's obvious we don't have an A, he has a hard time repping that also, if he put u on 5x, then he would bet bigger on the T to make u fold it, but to me it looks like he doesn't want u to fold Qxs or 5xs. Maybe I am leveling myself big time! I fold river as played, I told u my thoughts and it's a tough spot.

Other option would be to push any pair/draw on the flop being so shallow and that's standard vs somebody who limp/stabs a lot. But I don't like it as much on AQhigh dry board.


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dydukas
Joined: 01.05.2009

http://www.pokericmcalculator.com/en-us/articles/which-hands-to-push-against-sb-limp-from-bb-heads-up/

This is what I was asking about. I used to push pre here too but ICMizer says it's not all that profitable to push vs limpers. I was thinking that I use that EVCheck wrong.

As for postflop I did fold iirc. :)


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kurrkabin
Joined: 12.10.2010

I guess I didn't do the update! I read the article just now.

Hmm...I can't be really helpful of this topic as I am gonna need at least some time to play around with it and see it works. Vs a thinking player though, I would set it on the negative side, maybe -0.5 as you mentioned as I don't expect to win the pot more than 25% of the time or so. However, this guy is not quite the type. He can def. limp whatever range here though. If that would be a reg, I would put him on a very polarized range, a fishy player though is hard to know without seeing a hand or two.


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dydukas
Joined: 01.05.2009

Use the downloadable version. It updates automatically :)

As for the hand, I think that shoving works a lot of the times. But that's only intuitively...


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