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Originally posted by locasdf
The intro was a bit loud/annoying, but who cares - great content afterwards. I really liked your methodical, systematic approach to explaining these hands in detail and would like you to make a lot more vids in a similar fashion :)

It would be great if you could expand a bit on what your actual ranges are in the spots discussed. One example: while discussing your riverplay with 99, you made a point about only being able to bluff here with hands like 77, which doesn't account for many combinations. How do you play 33, 55, 45s and AhJh, AhTh? I'd assume you get to the river with these as well (they all have better equity against Villains turnbettingrange than 77), so you could get to the river with a wider bluffingrange theoretically.
I'd also be interested to know how your flopplay would be overall vs Villain in the QQ hand. QQ is a great hand to bluffcatch, because you block so many valuebetting combinations (you mention this) - does this mean you would play a set of 3s differently against described villain (if you somehow happen to 3bet it, which doesn't seem to be the best of ideas)? Do you plan on check/deciding 3 streets with hands like AQ here as well (or AA if you wouldn't 3bet AQ)?

Great video, keep up the good work

Really sorry about the intro :/, was it annoying because it was loud or because of something I did/said?

As for your comments, generally in spots like this where the large majority of my bluffcatching range has similar equity vs his range(77 has ~30%, 88 has ~32%, 33 has ~32%, 55 has ~34%, AhJh has ~29%, AhTh has ~29%, 45s has 38% vs a range of 88+,44,22,AKs,AhQh,AhJh,AhTh,A6s,KhQh,KhJh,Kh9h,QhJh,QhTh,JhTh,Th9h,8h7h,76s,AKo range) , I will decide on my turn calling % (this decision will be made based mostly on his bet-sizing and flop/turn/river cbet stats but also specific ranges/tendencies), and then select combos to fit into that % based on a) equity and b) blockers (I will choose hands that block as much of his value-range as possible; in this hand they are mostly irrelevant). In this case, if I assume my flop calling range is something like 80% of my nutted hands (1.6 combos of 65s, 1.6 combos of 67s, 1.6 combos of 68s, 2.4 combos of 22, 0.8 combos of 66), all pairs I didn't 3bet (24 combos of 33,55 and 77-99), 44 (3 combos), A2s (3 combos) and all Ax suited with a BDFD (3 combos of ATs, 3 combos of AJs, 3 combos of A3s, 2 combos of A4s, 3 combos of A5s) then that's 52 combos. On the turn, I would set a number in my head of how much I should be calling % wise, and then go down the list of my best blocker'd, highest equity bluffcatchers to call with and arrive at that calling % (obviously the more you slow-play flop, the less you should call with your turn bluffcatchers, but that's another topic entirely and I don't really wanna get into it). In this case, if I decided I wanted to call 40% (arbitrarily chosen number - deciding on actual turn calling %'s is complex because it depends on board texture and how much equity villain's range has; the number would be higher if he were betting turn very frequently and lower if he were betting turn very infrequently), I would not call 77, because I only need to call 20.8 combos, and 33/55/45s/AhTh/AhJh (all of which have more equity vs his turn betting range) + some % of my 44/22/6x (whatever % I decide to slow-play turn with) is enough to account for that. If he was betting turn a lot, and I wanted to call 60% instead, then I would add 11 combos of my next highest equity bluffcatchers. So yes, you're right, I do probably arrive at the river with a wider bluffing-range theoretically :)

For the QQ hand, my strategy vs him would involve checking over 90% of flops in general (due to his high bet when checked to stat; >75%) and playing all of my strong hands (Qx+) similarly to QQ, although as you said, QQ is probably the single best hand to play this way, and AA, specifically AdAx is probably one of the worse (I would still play it the same though vs him). Given his high turn/river cbet stats, my general strategy to exploit him would probably involve c/fing quite a few flops, c/ring flops infrequenty, and then seldom c/fing turn/river; I'd raise my fold to flop cbet to ~55-70%, lower my flop c/r to ~6% (balanced range of ~4% value and 2% bluffs) and then lower my fold to turn cbet to ~25-30% and my fold to river cbet to ~20-25%. Obviously, if he were smart, he would re-adjust by raising his cbet stat to ~85-95% and lowering his turn/river cbet stats to <20%, although he didn't seem like the thinking type so I didn't really think this would happen.

Hope that answered your questions and I'm glad you enjoyed the video :)


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Originally posted by TiltedDonk
First off, i just wanted to say brilliant 1st video. Been watching coaching/poker videos for years and i must say this video is top quality.

2nd hand: If QQ is ur 2nd strongest hand on this river given action from a game theory perspective, wouldnt it make sense for him to overbet with his straights as well, i dont see why his value range only consist of flushes here.

1st hand: I think the river maths is alittle off/confusing but it doesnt affect the results at all.

Preflop effective stack was $22258. Minus Preflop/flop/turn bet is 22258-450-750-1850=19208 effective stack on river. Which means you are risking 19208 to win 11100. Fold equity needed = 19208/(19208+11100) = 63%

Thanks a lot for the kind comments, really appreciate it :)

2nd hand: You are right theoretically, but I don't think this villain is capable of overbetting that thinly. Also, even assuming he chooses this sizing with all his straights on the river, he doesn't arrive at the river with that many combos of them considering he will often 4b AK, and he will often check behind either flop or turn with it; he won't always cbet flop with K9, he won't always double barrel turn; he won't always cbet flop with 98s, he won't always double barrel turn. Finally, even if we give him all combos of straights in his value range (16 AK + 16 K9 + 4 98s = 36), that would make his value range 51 combos (15 flushes + 16 AK + 16 K9 + 4 98s), which means he now needs 30 combos of bluffs instead of the original 9. Given my assumption that he was 3barreling river with his bluffs over 60% of the time, he would have 67 combos of bluffs (113*0.6), making the call still substantially +EV.

As for bolded, you're right, I did the maths right beforehand but wrote it wrong in the PowerPoint, sorry about that :/


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locasdf
Joined: 07.06.2008

Originally posted by Girah

Really sorry about the intro :/, was it annoying because it was loud or because of something I did/said?

Just the glass shattering in the very beginning, talking/rest was absolutely fine.

I wanted to thank you for your great response, it's really amazing to have such indepth insight into your thought processes. I think I'll have to do some combo-counting for various calldown spots now :)


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cYde
Joined: 04.12.2006

Do you coach and if so, how much do you take per hour?

Really great video. One of the best I have ever seen and one of the few I will probably watch twice! ;-)


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Maniatrix
Joined: 01.11.2008

Video doesn't work


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s44vhl7l
Joined: 21.01.2011

Isnt that 1 hand river shove too Thin?


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badgerer
Joined: 29.03.2010

:facepalm:


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Tomaloc
Joined: 17.01.2011

this thread
too bad that the video was actually good, but one's got to do what one's got to do i guess.

@s44vhl7l he turned it into a bluff


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TonyRice
Joined: 30.01.2010

Wonder what happened to Girah was a great player and reader of the game was like he could see his opponents cards


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