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[Coaching] NLHE with oblioo - post your HHs here!

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kakadustew
Joined: 28.06.2010

Played this hand about three weeks ago, I think I got inspired in this

, althou my hand is very different.

Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

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$0.02/$0.05 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

Known players:
[tg]CO$14.50:///////;BU (Hero)$12.14:///////;SB$5.00:///////;BB$12.46:///////;MP2$3.91:///////;MP3$12.12:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is BU with 6:d, A:d.
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.12, SB folds, BB raises to $0.35, Hero calls $0.23.

Flop: ($0.72) T:s, A:h, 4:h (2 players)
BB bets $0.45, Hero calls $0.45.

Turn: ($1.62) 7:h (2 players)
BB bets $1.20, Hero raises to $2.90, BB calls $1.70.

River: ($7.42) Q:c (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $8.44, BB folds, Hero gets uncalled bet back.

Final Pot: $7.42.

Overall description of hand: Fancy play. Turning my TPBK into a bluff against reg 240bb deep. Real brain strech comes OTT.

Setting: - playing with 240bb stack becouse I want to have fishy player in MP covered
- no established dynamic between me and villian
- general observed behavior of regulars on NL5: - they 3bet too much OOP w/ polarized range then they cbet flop often to give up OTT
- villian is playing 28/21 over 72 hands, 3bet from BB vs steal 2 times out of 9 ( 22.2%) , cbet in 3bet pot 2 from 3 , looks like quite solid regular

Cliffs : -Pre: Sweet hand (being so deep) IP against probably polarized range, good odds and psr.
-OTF: Got TPBK, nice, lets call once and see what happens
-OTT: His range has mainly strong TPs and twopairs apart from sets and flushes. Tcard is great to represent flush. He cant call it off vs strong line with his TPs,twopairs. What sizing I would make with flush?
-OTR: I GOT DA HEART

My real time thought process was something between what is in cliffs and in analysis below.

Preflop: - standand 2,5x open from BU ( sb has 100bb stack if deeper (>150bb) then I would probably 3x)
- Facing 3bet with sizing on the smaller side (given how much deep we are), so I opt for call (and not to 4bet) for various reasons :

- A6s is really nice hand to play IP deepstacked (nothing better than win flush over flush 240bb deep)
- as people 3bet with polarized ranges OOP too much, they do alot of mistakes with their trash part of range
- I got sweet odds and psr

OTF: - Only hands which are reasonable for him to check instead of cbet here IMO are like JJ-KK,T9s,T8s, (maybe AA but I think he would rather want to pump up the pot little bit than getting tricky).
- I decided to call with my TPBK ( I dont really see any point in fold or raise) and my plan for turn is check back if he checks (to induce him to spazz OTR when he gets desperate with hand like 8s9s) and fold when he bets again.

OTT: - He bets again, so now his range is value heavy and he probably has very little amount of bluffs if any.
- Here is where all the range estimating really comes into play, so he very possibly has 7combos of sets (AA,TT,44) , 16c of TPT/ndK (AQ,AK), 4c of 2pairs (A4s,A7s) and then mabye if he doesnt 3bet only polarized range he also has 6c of AT, I exclued AJ as I dont think he would be betting here with it (as he beats nothing from my potentionaly calling range.)
- Also he has some combos of flushes (lets say he has 7c , 98,T9,T8,JT,J9,K2,K3), its most likely he will re-raise those as it would be akward for him to extract value OTR as he would have to depent on me betting, also obviously in case he 3bets here I fold.
- So I opted to turn my weak TP into a bluff to fold out his AK,AQ,A4,A7 and AT if he has it, I dont think he folds any sets althou in my precieved range are only flushes (dont think that he would ever put me on bluff here, I almost never do such crazy stuff and my image is solid as we have almost no history) for most nl5 villians set has too big absolute hand strenght to fold. So I decided to take super strong line by representing flush ( of which I have quite a few of combos after calling OTF). I raise only 2,5x for two reasons, one is I would raise probably to same amount with flush as I wouldnt want him to fold and second is that with this sizing I can slightly OB OTR which I think gives me more FEQ.¨
- My play OTR is allready decided to shove on any card other than T,4,7,A (as they increase his calling range abit and deffo I wouldnt shove in such a spot with flush, mabye some small bet but for sure not shove)

OTR: - Qo comes OTR this is only bad becouse it decreases no. of AQ in his range.Also I dont think that he has guts to call here even with AxKh,AxQh.
- I shove, he tanks and folds , after the hand I couldnt restrain myself and wrote into chat: Sick
Did you drop AK?
- He played like two more hands and then he fled.

Now some math to back it up: EV = (he 3bet OTT and I fold) + (% time he calls OTT)*(( I give up OTR ) + ( I shove OTR )) = (-7/40*2.9) + (33/40)*((-11/45*2.9) + (34/45*(-7/32*11.34 + 25/32*7.42))) = 0.975 usd

without AT in his range : EV = 0.26 usd


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LemOn36
Joined: 07.02.2009

Poker Stars $0.08/$0.16 No Limit Hold'em - 3 players -

BTN: $6.93
SB: $20.83
Hero (BB): $16.48

Pre Flop: ($0.24) Hero is BB with 9 :diamond: Q :diamond:
1 fold, SB raises to $0.48, Hero calls $0.32

Flop: ($0.96) J :diamond: 4 :club: 5 :heart: (2 players)
SB bets $0.64, Hero calls $0.64

Turn: ($2.24) A :diamond: (2 players)
SB bets $1.44, Hero raises to $3.70


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EmanuelC16
Joined: 02.01.2010

Hey guys,

Cool hands around here. I will make my decision in a few hours after eating dinner and will post the winner here and also contact him via community tool. Just to let you know, this won't be a one time thing, I will continue to think about small promos like this for my public coachings.

Cheers.


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EmanuelC16
Joined: 02.01.2010

Hello,

Time to choose the player!

Before I do, just wanted to say I'm glad for the good response this got, I might pick a second player for the next coaching out of you guys. Not a promise, just something to keep in mind. All hands were pretty good and it's not an easy choice.

Without delaying it anymore, the winner for tomorrow is Dawidas888. The main reason I choose his hand is because he took his read and went all the way with it.

For kakadustew who presented the most complicated hand imo I have some advice. I like your line and idea but in order to rep a flush better I would raise turn bigger and not overbet the river. I think your opponent has even fewer flush combos than you gave him. A second suggestion is to turn your hand into a bluff from the flop and just raise there, barrel off by blocking top set. It's good that you know about such a spot in a deep stack situation.

Thanks again, cya in the coaching!


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oblioo
Joined: 02.10.2012

hey folks,

I'm gonna be doing the coaching tomorrow; please start posting hands here, linking to hands at weaktight.com as usual!

thanks and talk to ya tomorrow,
Dustin


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jules97
Joined: 10.06.2012

hey,

I read the feedback section of the forums that back in january, some people asked if you could do a live session of nl50 or higher for one of these coachings. Is this at all possible?

Maybe a couple of tables of zoom and explaining your thought processes. Similar to what Pleno1 does when he does a live coaching if you've seen any of those. If you can't do a live session, a recorded session of your play and then talking about it after would be just as good, if that's at all easier. Although that would take more time.

I think it's easier to pick up a lot more for a wider range of people than a hand history review.


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SPeedFANat1c
Joined: 04.01.2009
SPeedFANat1c
Joined: 04.01.2009

and if not canceled, here is the hand:

http://weaktight.com/6034749

its zoom

unknown opponent

WHat range we can put him on when he calls 3bet preflop?

I assume he has weak range so cbet, to fold air, one overcard, 22-33

Here is what I think he has on flop:

Turn - barrel to fold A highs which called flop, and 55-88


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double2
Joined: 04.11.2008

http://weaktight.com/6034909

Villain 900 hands
26/21/8.6/24
3bet BU 7.1%
cbet flop in 3bp 82%, turn 57% (7)
Agg freq 37/40/31
WWSF 45%

I think pre flop is fine to call, 4bet/call is doable also. Flop and turn I guess is standard. River, I think I'm actually pretty close to the bottom of my range, I do have some combos of QQ and KK+ in my range. Should I arrive to river com some AKs, like AsKs?


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DaPhunk
Joined: 01.03.2008

Hi, had a problem converting the hands i wnted to post on weaktight so I fiddled them to look like stars hands instead. apologies if they don't work. I'll post them in seperate comments.

HUD is not possible on the network played so no stats.

http://wt.ag/1cTcwKL


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DaPhunk
Joined: 01.03.2008

accidentally called too quick preflop and thought it was a mistake. I think 5bet/fold or just folding are better for me at this stage as I'm unused to NL100 and to a lesser extent deepstack play.

http://wt.ag/161Fn5S


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jules97
Joined: 10.06.2012

cancelled?


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DaPhunk
Joined: 01.03.2008

Yea, whats going on?


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oblioo
Joined: 02.10.2012

Guys,

I am SO SORRY but I had to cancel today; I had sudden car trouble and was stranded in Virginia without internet, and now I'm stranded in Tennessee (with internet but no headset). I'll be doing it next week though, and we'll go over these hands and more then.

In the meantime I believe I have a 200NL live play zoom vid coming out tomorrow for diamond members, so enjoy that, and again I feel bad about having to cancel last-minute but there's not really anything I could have done.

good luck,
Dustin / oblioo


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DaPhunk
Joined: 01.03.2008

Wow, unlucky Dustin. Will tune in next week for the coaching! Hope you get all your stuff fixed. Sad the zoom vid is only for Diamonds :(


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jules97
Joined: 10.06.2012

no problem, thanks for letting us know, gl getting unstranded!


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oblioo
Joined: 02.10.2012

For real I'm doing coaching tomorrow, post hands here!


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StaticMoth
Joined: 22.05.2009

Best line/sizings vs 2 fish in a 3bet pot ?

Spoiler

Hero folds despite getting the sickest odds in the world + another player left to act behind

AK-high plan vs minraise in a 4bet pot

4bet pot semivalue/semibluff ship vs fish

Spoiler

Final Pot: $208.36
BTN shows two pair, Queens and Threes
Q♣ K♣
TyraMyra shows two pair, Jacks and Threes
A♣ J♠

BTN wins $205.56 (net +$113.63)

TyraMyra collects $10.57 (net -$91.93)
SB lost $23.50

Random tough spot where I felt lost all the way :P


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corinbzz
Joined: 10.09.2010

http://weaktight.com/6050223

61/37 fish 83 hands
35% river agg freq
no specific reads


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http://weaktight.com/6050228

Villain: 58 hands, 22/17


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