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[SH] NL50 AQs

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Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $121.40 (242.8 bb)
SB: $108.58 (217.2 bb)
BB: $25.96 (51.9 bb)
UTG: $125.54 (251.1 bb)
Hero (MP): $50 (100 bb)
CO: $27.50 (55 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q A
UTG folds, Hero raises to $1.50, CO calls $1.50, 3 folds

Flop: ($3.75) 9 4 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $2, Hero calls $2

Turn: ($7.75) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $3.50, Hero calls $3.50

River: ($14.75) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $6.50, Hero raises to $43 and is all-in,

40/21, afq 46, 136 hands, fishy player

What do you think about check/calling, let him bet his air, continue on A/Q/3/5/spade?


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EmanuelC16
Joined: 02.01.2010

Hey,

I don't like checking because it decreases the chances we win the pot, while not increasing the size of the pots we do win. Betting is the way to go here imo. If you can confidently assume he bluffs it all and AQ high is nice to bluffcatch with then it's fine but that is very unlikely so you are better off using this hand as a semibluff.


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The board is dry. He mostly have air, and we can only get value from air if we check/call. Also some implied if A/Q hits, and we dominate him. He probably 3bets AK, so most of the time we have the best hand, why turn our SD value into bluff ?


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EmanuelC16
Joined: 02.01.2010

His air has 6 outs and position. I would always take his spot instead of yours if you check call. Having showdown value is one thing, realising it is another. Check/calling once and getting to showdown vs some hands you beat is not victory either. He will also float sometimes so even when turning your hand into a bluff you win the same size pot. Checking just lets him control the action when you have a hand that doesn't want to see anything but A or Q. Spade gives you equity but your showdown value still decreases.


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Villain has 40 VPIP so he probably calls with all brodways and a lot of trash. This board rarely hits anyone. So his range is air heavy, against that, we have a great bluffcatcher. Why should we make fold hands we beat, and make his range stronger with cbet and an occasionally turn barrel? Doesn't make sense to me. If he has a pair, doesn't fold. If he has Q5s or something like that, most of the time he will fold those. So, with AQs, I want to play vs that range, that misses the flop (would fold vs cbet), not that one that continues, and a lot stronger than his whole flopping range.


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EmanuelC16
Joined: 02.01.2010

I don't see a fishy player folding overs, I see him floating those 80% of the time so you still build a pot vs those. If he has a pair, you can only make him fold it by the river by starting to bet the flop so once you check the flop you cannot make him fold a pair. Are you sure he stabs with overs so you can bluffcatch while being ahead? What tells you that he stabs once and gives up or if not, what tells you how many streets you can call on which cards?


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I think ppl bluff too much when PFR checks. Almost everyone at NL50 is on autobet when this happesn. Usually because not too many players have a balanced checking range, so when they check, they can't defend their checks enough, so they check/fold most of the time, and cbetting too much. So yeah, I'd expect a bluff lot of the time by those 2 overs (so don't miss value, instead getting more if he bets too much). Against pairs, I wouldn't 3barrel recklessy, he is a fish after all, and each time I barrel, his range gets stronger, and my SD value gets weaker.

I can continue on turns I'd barrel anyways (except K,J, but I'll have AKs, and AJs in my check/call range here, so it's not a problem folding AQs), but I'm going against a 100% flopping range, not a stronger range that called my cbet.

So the idea behind this, that having nut air, I want to play against his air range. Against pairs, I can improve quite often (2OC,BDFD,BDSD), and have implied against his bluffs if we hit TP (gets barreled by bluff, or by value). Sometimes I x/c flop, then turn brings EQ, x/c again, and I can improve, or can win if villain gives up his bluff.


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duder1n0
Joined: 07.07.2009

Originally posted by Holy93
I think ppl bluff too much when PFR checks. Almost everyone at NL50 is on autobet when this happesn. Usually because not too many players have a balanced checking range, so when they check, they can't defend their checks enough, so they check/fold most of the time, and cbetting too much.

I agree, but 'ppl' = regs, and in this case he is a fish, so why do you give him the same assumptions as to an average NL50 reg?


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Well, yeah he is a fish. But he has a folding and a countinuing range too :) What range do we want to play against with the nut air? A range that contains sets, pairs, and 2 overs? or a range than contain all trash that would fold if we cbet, but gets the opportunity to bluff when we check?


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dozeer
Joined: 25.07.2011

I like x/calling the flop if hes gonna fold AJ when we cbet.

If hes gonna float our cbet with worse Ax than I preffer betting.

So I am likely to cbet vs fish and x/c vs reg here..


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EmanuelC16
Joined: 02.01.2010

Even a reg would float this flop often and so you make him put more money into the pot by betting but ofc I can see the idea of checking against a more aggressive opponent. The problem is that you rely on villain giving up on bluffs and you hitting which means you have 2 factors you don't control at all. That can work but it's not often the best way to go about it. It works a lot better when you have a hand that has more actual equity and has no benefit from making opponent fold air. Here, making him fold 76s type hands can be debatate to be a 'win' over letting him control the action.


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