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Playing poker with music (response to Schnitzelfisch)

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While I usually listen to music while playing, I think it's OK because the majority of the decisions that I make are in my mind already. I don't have to think about them. I have memorized that I will open for example Ax, any broadway, any pair, 67s+ T8s+ and then cbet every board when checked to. So I am not making any new decision or have to "think" about what to do. I already know what I will do in each situation.

On the other hand, if I am analyzing some hands at the end of a session, then I have to turn off the music and all other distractions to concentrate and analyze what the best play is in that situation. So, basically if you have to make calculation in your head during the game, then distractions should be eliminated. However, if you are on autopilot, then music, or even podcasts, is okay.

That's my opinion anyway. Maybe I should force myself to eliminate distractions for a couple of days and then decide what is better.


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Itsnevereasy
Joined: 08.08.2010

Interesting discussion guys! I am no expert but I'll add this. I get tired faster while listening to music especially with words. Haven't tried classical music for any significant period of time to say how it effects me. Will do though.

'during what time of the year do you think most suicides are committed?', the majority will answer fall or winter. Because it makes sense. And yet it's false (it's spring and early summer).

Whats the reason for that?

You're assuming that everyone plays better with 100% attention though. Not everyone does.

Lol . Interesting thought. But seriously though, maximizing your concentration level is always better because even if you play micros, you want to move up right... and at some points its not about value betting n00bs - so you have to learn to be a thinking player regardless of what stakes you play. Hope that made sense.


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Originally posted by Itsnevereasy

'during what time of the year do you think most suicides are committed?', the majority will answer fall or winter. Because it makes sense. And yet it's false (it's spring and early summer).

Whats the reason for that?

From the top of my head it's that people in general start going out more (after winter), interacting more, are happy outside in the sun. When lonely people see this, they tend to become even more lonely and depresse ("Why can everyone be happy but me??").

This might not be 100% accurate, I didn't look into it deeply; I'm sure you can find some studies online though if you're interested in the subject.


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tonypmm
Joined: 11.01.2009

Originally posted by Schnitzelfisch
From the top of my head it's that people in general start going out more (after winter), interacting more, are happy outside in the sun. When lonely people see this, they tend to become even more lonely and depresse ("Why can everyone be happy but me??").

This might not be 100% accurate, I didn't look into it deeply; I'm sure you can find some studies online though if you're interested in the subject.

Greetings from Moscow, SF! :f_wink: Maybe you were referring to this article from Google's top, maybe not. But the point is that there are different reasons for different people. The 'pressure to be happy' you've mentioned is one of them, the rapid weather change (faster than in autumn) and allergies blamed there are also significant (I had allergy in the past that peaked in July-August, maybe it's still having impact on me, who knows). Another reason might be that some people hate light - that's my case for one. It's person-dependent.

Back to the topic, has anyone here thought on whether lyrics' effect withers as time passes and they're learnt by heart or it adds up with time like with self-suggestion phrases? I used to think that keeping the playlist fairly constant would reduce the distracting effect of lyrics. But once upon a time it dawned on me that my playlist was sending me negative vibes.

I'm a clinical case here as I'm a beginning headbanger :f_cool: Ironically, I had hardly ever listened to music on purpose before 'going a micro-PLO pro' last June. Metal and rock were preferred kinds of music in my former math environment, but I was hardly into music at all, only listened to it to socialise. But when I was going to start grinding, I recalled that my brother always had metal on while driving (despite hardly listening to it outside the car any longer), had said it helped him to concentrate on the road. So I just picked some of the CDs left from his youth, copied them onto the laptop and started putting them on during sessions.

Whether it helped me to concentrate is debatable: I sometimes forgot to put it on for like 15 minutes into the session (4-6-tabling), then suddenly noticed that I was bored, but didn't feel bad about not hurrying to put it on either: the table decisions were absorbing me. I had distractions when most favourite lyrics were sung and echoed them, but those were for only a few seconds and mostly when I was not in a hand. I didn't manage to run a full-blown lossrate difference test, but I didn't feel way differently in general.

Then, when I entered a slump bigger than before, I started blaming that on negative lyrics (esp Korn's :f_mad: ) and gradually (I spend little time looking for extra songs) replacing them by positive power metal anthems, removing topics one by one: reproduction, sadomaso, hatred for parents, tyranny - all that probably tilted me or was dangerous to think about while grinding.

My playlist got separated into grind and non-grind parts (I still have to endure the soul pains when I'm not playing, hiding them would be even worse). The grindlist consisted mostly of inspirational power ballads whose strong beat, like on a march, made me feel like a fearless warrior. I found it bad to bring my lame real life to the poker office.

But I didn't notice a lossrate change after that either, maybe because the messages I was trying to send to my subconscious didn't match the reailty. It all went worse until I quit grinding after 170K hands :f_pleased:, ironically, because of concentration issues, but arising from poor sleep. I'm still enjoying the process of seeking new bands and have metal on sometimes when surfing (when I don't forget to do so like right now :f_biggrin: ).

So the bottom line of my case study is:

1. Testing is great, but I should have been more observant and keeped thorough records when doing it.
2. I think I should have been more careful about what messages the things surrounding me conveyed and started using the technique of passing subliminal audiomessages through the grindlist earlier.

My respect goes to you all, esp those who can grind without music. May the force be with you!


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TJtheTJ
Joined: 12.10.2011

Hey tonypmm,

Great first post! Hopefully we'll see you make more of such posts here :)

Welcome to the forum!

Kind regards,
Tino


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gadget51
Joined: 23.06.2008

I've been thinking about this a little [only a little, I can't do more] and what came to mind were some professional sports people's opinions on external noise and whether it was stimulation or interference.

Nearly to a person they have the same opinion, it being the case that if you were in the 'zone' so to speak, outside noise becomes irrelevant. For example, if say a snooker player is finding getting into his zone difficult and the arena is very quiet, they may find they can hear a cough or a sweet wrapper rustling even 10 rows back, that kind of distraction.
If however, they are wholly focused on what they are doing 'in the moment' these distractions and even the noise a cheering audience can make, can be completely missed by the player.

I suppose I must also add that football teams and other stadia sports seem to have participants who actually prefer crowd noise. I've also seen many live players with earphones.

Personally, what helps me to play my 'A game' as it were, isn't music but explaining to my other half what I'm doing - or trying to do at least. :)

Perhaps it isn't the blocking out of distractions some of us are aiming for but keeping some sort of connection to, or reminder of, the outside world, keeping us plugged into reality.
Maybe we like an audience but haven't got one.

I'm writing this rather 'off the cuff', so I apologize if it's not well done, too disjointed or abstract.

Run good,

Mal.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

I don't have a concept of "background music".

If music is playing, I am listening to it actively, or tuning it out entirely.

If I am doing something so automatic it requires no thought -- like mowing the lawn or doing dishes -- then OK.

Anything that I need to think about -- studying, poker, reading or work for example -- I need the music off. If it is on, then my focus shifts back and forth.

Not good.

If I am so "in the zone" that I am fully concentrated on my task, then I could not even tell you what song had just played.

Mind you, at my age that's true most of the time anyway...

Cheers,
--VS


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Krach-Bumm-Ente
Joined: 01.05.2006

I don't think you can compare poker to football.
Poker needs a lot more attention and thinking while football focuses more on a physical aspect. So when music (or cheering crowds) stimulates this helps in football, but distracts in poker.
As for the pool player who is in the zone - that's a completely different beast. First thing is he is in the zone, if he is not, he is being distracted by that noise. Second thing is, it is not consistent - a cough is over in a second, the distraction starts afterwards when our pool player has a weak mindset and gets angry about it. This mindset leak doesn't show up when he's in the zone, therefore he doesn't mind. Constant music though doesn't interfer by messing with your mindset, but by just being there and giving your thalamus additional stimulation it has to filter out (or not) and by using up some of your (limited) attention resources.


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legendrigion
Joined: 23.08.2013

well well i agree with you, listen to music when u are playing with poker will make you feel comfortable to play :)


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