75s 3bet barrel?

I think you might be 3betting a poor range preflop because it includes 75s. That might not be the case, but there are many better hands to 3bet with, and I doubt you 3bet or call all of those.

Flop is good with your hand. Not a flop you get raised on, so betting a showdownvalue hand is never bad. You protect and get value from floats, better than checking.

Turn you can check/call or turn it into an ~5 out bluff. I don't love either option.

Depending how your 3bet range is structured you have a lot of hands to bluff with there. KQ KJ QJ Q8 J8 J7 87 86 76 around T9 and 64 63 43 A3 A4 around 52 are a ton of possible bluff hands already. If you add 2x and 5x pairs into the mix, it's even more. So not a fan of bluffing when you have some showdownvalue, he may check down Ahi or a lower pair sometimes.

On the other hand, checking to checkcall is quite optimistic. He will have a lot of floats on this flop, like some QJ KJ KQ and Ahi, and A2-A5, and your equity if he bets turn is solid, but you hand plays poorly on the river. He can value bet and bluff river very effectively, as a turn call looks exactly like 5x-9x (/weak Tx) from you.

If all options suck, you should think about other options. A check/raise allin actually looks pretty solid here. Assuming he bets fairly big, you will have quite a big pot to shove into where he folds a lot (all floats and maybe even a Tx). You're equity is poor when called, so I don't love the option either, but it may very well be the best line.

Anyway your bet of 25bb on the turn is alright. I think it might be an awesome spot for him to just shove turn with A2 and KJ type hands, cause you are probably bet/folding way too much there if you bet 75, but he won't shove wider than QJ as a bluff I hope.

River you just go allin for value. I don't understand why you just bet half pot and leave ~30bb in your stack? That's actually pretty bad unless you have very specific read.

Reagarding your gameplan. You will need to be more detailed. What hands on what runouts exactly etc. But in general, bluffing with equity is good, and giving up with most bluffs on blank run outs is also good.

Thanks. My 3bet range vs unknown Co is 56-9Ts and 57-8Ts
and TT-AA and kqo,aqo,ak. So my bluffs would be 78, kq, 67, 65, 57 that are 22 combos
And value T9, tt-as, 29 combos which seems ok to me

Originally posted by lnternet
I think you might be 3betting a poor range preflop because it includes 75s. That might not be the case, but there are many better hands to 3bet with, and I doubt you 3bet or call all of those.

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Depending how your 3bet range is structured you have a lot of hands to bluff with there. KQ KJ QJ Q8 J8 J7 87 86 76 around T9 and 64 63 43 A3 A4 around 52 are a ton of possible bluff hands already. If you add 2x and 5x pairs into the mix, it's even more. So not a fan of bluffing when you have some showdownvalue, he may check down Ahi or a lower pair sometimes.

why is 75 3betting worse than 76 or J8? or did you mean j8o > 75s.
is the range you gave in the second part a 3bet range you'd favor BB vs CO?

Really struggling to see the merits in 3betting QJ, Q8, J8, J7 over 75 here.

EDIT: Oh, or did you mean there are so many more better hands than 75s to 3bet that spot that hero shouldnt include 75s for gameplan purposes?
But I still think 75s oop in a 3bet pots vs a calling range looking like {broadway, 66-JJ, AQ-AT} is better than doing it with the hands you gave. We have easier decisions postflop no?

I don't mean you should 3bet those hands, I was just listing other potential turn bluffing hands that you might hold or villain might perceive you to hold. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

If you want you can post your BB vs CO 3bb to 9.5bb 3bet range and then I criticize it. (I won't post my recommend default range, only comment on other ranges, because giving ranges+explanations is part of what I coach, so I draw a line there, sorry)

I already wrote detailed 3bet range bb vs co, and also my Gamelan
Postflop. Can you please evaluate it, it is very important for me.

Originally posted by lnternet
I don't mean you should 3bet those hands, I was just listing other potential turn bluffing hands that you might hold or villain might perceive you to hold. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

If you want you can post your BB vs CO 3bb to 9.5bb 3bet range and then I criticize it.

ah okay.
well it would be similar to mlatasrb's.
Something along the 8-12% looking like:

No problem regarding you keeping your default ranges for yourself.

When I think about it, the range i gave is what i think i 3bet.
I looked at BB 3bet facing 3x open from CO, and this is what i actually did for the last 100k hands.

Interestingly the 3bet frequency only equal to 4.5%. Sounds weird given im pretty sure I do 3bet {JJ+, AQ+} close to 100% and this is already > 4%.

Seems like im playing way more nitty than what i think i do.

The AJo KQo but not AJs KQs seems a bit weird. The suitedness is better in a single raised pot than in a 3bet pot, BUT the suited hand is much stronger than the offsuit hand, which imo roughly cancels out, so either 3bet all or none.

Another thing I don't like is low sc preference. In your equilab range you have not a single Kxs but a ton of sc. I would switch that around. K7s is better than 75s by a lot.

Originally posted by lnternet
K7s is better than 75s by a lot.

Could you explain a bit why you prefer K7s over 75s please? K7s has better raw equity, but playability is poor oop. You can attack more boards with 75s as you can turn more draws and keep up the agression.