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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Prehistory. Only a few hands at the table, but the CO seemed like a maniac.

PokerStars - $0.02/$0.04 (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 25.25 BB
BTN: 36 BB
Hero (SB): 14.75 BB
BB: 5 BB
UTG: 15.5 BB
MP: 18.25 BB

Hero posts SB 0.25 BB, BB posts BB 0.5 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 0.75 BB) Hero has T♦ T♣

UTG calls 0.5 BB, MP calls 0.5 BB, CO raises to 1 BB, fold, Hero raises to 1.5 BB, BB calls 1 BB, UTG calls 1 BB, MP calls 1 BB, CO raises to 2 BB, Hero calls 0.5 BB, BB calls 0.5 BB, UTG calls 0.5 BB, MP calls 0.5 BB

Flop: (10 BB, 5 players) 7♦ 4♠ 5♣
Hero checks, BB bets 0.5 BB, UTG raises to 1 BB, MP calls 1 BB, CO raises to 1.5 BB, Hero calls 1.5 BB, fold, UTG raises to 2 BB, fold, CO calls 0.5 BB, Hero calls 0.5 BB

Turn: (17.5 BB, 3 players) K♣
Hero checks, UTG bets 1 BB, CO raises to 2 BB, ...

Spoiler

Hero calls 2 BB, UTG calls 1 BB

River: (23.5 BB, 3 players) K♠
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO bets 1 BB, Hero calls 1 BB, UTG calls 1 BB

CO shows A♦ 6♦ (One Pair, Kings) (Pre 26%, Flop 42%, Turn 26%)
Hero shows T♦ T♣ (Two Pair, Kings and Tens) (Pre 61%, Flop 42%, Turn 62%)
UTG mucks 5♦ 2♦ (Two Pair, Kings and Fives) (Pre 13%, Flop 16%, Turn 12%)
Hero wins 26.25 BB

On the flop, the plan is to check-raise. When it comes back, it's three bets, so I see no point in putting in four.

The turn: The K is bad, but not super-bad. When it comes back to me, I get 10:1, but I sort of "know" that I'm likely to pay four BB to see the river, and perhaps eight to get to showdown, so the odds are hard to calculate.

/Johan = ?(


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Avataren
Joined: 28.04.2010

when the CO raises the turn its time to fold.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

With no further info than the board and the action, I'd snap fold too.

I guess the real question is how much you should rely on a read. The CO was unquestionably a lunatic. Take that as correct.

But then... The other players should have picked up on this too, and rightly be extremely aggressive on the flop with any sort of hit to force people out. The UTG is perfectly right in raising on the flop if he has anything reasonable, knowing that the CO will 3-bet.

On the turn I have an overpair to most of the stuff on the board, and the pot is huge. Thus, is it worth two bets more + a quick prayer? (or even 4 bets more and plenty of quick prayers?)

/Johan = :f_confused:


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Avataren
Joined: 28.04.2010

UTG in my mind can only show up with Kx here and the others who just called have either a flopped pair or draw they would do anything to see if they could hit. CO being a lunatic fits very well with his turn raise. Im more scared of the UTG than the CO. thus if it had been HU and you vs CO call him down here no question. But since UTG bets out on the Kx .. Id say your pretty crushed by random Kx hands that decided to bet out now that they have a pair or two pair for that matter.

edit: bold line forget it, i forgot he capped the flop.

still stand by though that he still will have a lot of pairs or two pairs and you should be more scared of him than the CO.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Yup. More scared of UTG than CO.

How scared should I be? Like a said, I think UTG plays it well on the flop if he has anything remotely decent, and the turn bet by him is still ok as a last attempt to isolate himself with the CO, because now the pot is getting really big.

I think this is difficult (which is why I'm asking). You say fold. My "instincts" (whatever that is) said fold too. But at that point, I used the 3-5 seconds (much longer in fact) we talked about in the other thread to reconsider, and the above paragraph was the "result".

/Johan


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firsttsunami
Joined: 23.01.2006

Given CO is a maniac i would have capped the flop to push off either BB or UTG - although they are probably not folding anyways but i consider yourself being still ahead against BB's and UTG's range together. none of both capped Preflop and showed to have a strong overpair. The turn is really unfortunate and UTG capped the Flop. IT looks like a straight or a set. You run pretty awful against his cappingrange and you draw slim on maybe 1-2 Outs.

There is a chance that CO has got a random hand and UTG overplayed 76 88 99 or if he got 75 or 45 you still have some outs again him with the 7 or with another King. Ingame i would probably fold the Turn mostly because UTG's flopcap looks really strong and indicates a strong hand i don't see myself in good shape against. But the result is surprising. With a read that UTG is a maniac too you should coldcall the Turn next time but we don'T blame you for folding your hand on the TUrn. :)


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