fish snap miniraise meanings

Hi,

Fishes can min-raise for value their top pair hands, also they can min-raise with air and ofcourse for value their two pairs or sets.
Q84 board is quite good for top pair hands, since there are not too many combos Q8/Q4/84/44/88/QQ hands that he can limp on BU.

So you can even consider 3-betting flop for value, although call seems better option.
On the turn he is basically representing two pair+ although I think he also have there often draws. So shove seems also good option to me if you don´t want to fold. I would not really fold that spot KQ+ , so I guess you can also go with QT
But it mostly comes to reads- if you feel that you´re beat then fold is ofcourse better option, but if you have isolating fish before, caught bluffing or think he likes to make moves then I would most likely shove for value

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but he "snap" raised ,so its more like value raise than raising with a lot of time,no? this thought is wrong? of course it can depend on opponents tho.

and what about the size of raise?
its mini raise ,so its different from normal raise?

Originally posted by daisuke3823
but he "snap" raised ,so its more like value raise than raising with a lot of time,no? this thought is wrong? of course it can depend on opponents tho.

and what about the size of raise?
its mini raise ,so its different from normal raise?

some players decide that they would take down next pot whatever the board comes, so that would be explained "snap" raise.
Min-raise is the smaller amount- players use it to get maximum value out of worse hands (for example sets don´t want that AK would fold) or to not risk big amounts (with top pair he knows where he is at and can then either bet small or check back turn his top pair hands)

and what about the size of raise?
its mini raise ,so its different from normal raise?
- imo fishes would mostly min-raise, since they don´t want to put in too much money. If they would make it huge raise then it means more often either draws or sets, since they would either want to protect their hands or push people out.

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I would say that fishes almost never minraise draws
there may be some pure air, some second pairs and of course dozen of 2pair+
I noticed that snap minraise on ugly boards and instabet on the river with closed draws mean 2pair+ mostly

Originally posted by blumpkin
I would say that fishes almost never minraise draws
there may be some pure air, some second pairs and of course dozen of 2pair+
I noticed that snap minraise on ugly boards and instabet on the river with closed draws mean 2pair+ mostly

I'd go with this statement ♦ If fish min-raises flop, he bets turn very small with bluffs or checks. Min-raise and then pot is bluff 2 % of the time against avg. fish.

there are passive fishes and there are maniacs. Likely their ratio is 80-20. If all fishes would be passive and only min-raise with strong hands then it would be easy to play against them. But since poker is involving and winning is getting harder I think fishes would also get better and more creative.
Folding is generally fine with marginal hands, but if we get played back too often, we just fold out better hands too many times against random bluffs.

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it's true, but the main thing is that shoving is not really good option as fish wouldn't minraise with draw and bet about pot on the turn. of course there is percentage of bluffs, but anyway there is no sense to push the turn as fish wouldn't call with his bluffs and there almost never would be draw.

Originally posted by blumpkin
it's true, but the main thing is that shoving is not really good option as fish wouldn't minraise with draw and bet about pot on the turn. of course there is percentage of bluffs, but anyway there is no sense to push the turn as fish wouldn't call with his bluffs and there almost never would be draw.

he and we are pot committed on the turn.
After betting 8$, he has left 6$, so he would b/c there with also his air. Since he would usually not make that play with tp hands I doubt we can really c/c turn or then c/f river, so as easily we can shove turn for value (if we think we´re ahead his range).
I would prefer shoving turn, since if he is bluffing for example 65/T7s or some random hands he can always catch his pair and then check back river, but he would never really b/f if we shove turn.

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