[Closed] STOP pokerstars!!! LIVE DEALERS ONLINE

Originally posted by Jafreiteris

Originally posted by panahs
@ipeaceonu
This discussion here is necessary!!!!YOU DO SOME RESEARCH!!!!

http://www.pokerology.com/lessons/math-and-probability/

http://www.regentsprep.org/Regents/math/algtrig/ATS2/NormalLesson.htm

THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION

As i told you, i have invited pokerstars to be present in this thread.wait...... wait..... wait....
can do this officialy?

Thanks but I did my research a long time ago, that's why I am not the one starting threads to cry that it is someone else's fault that your losing money at online poker.

Why don't you just play at the poker sites which have live dealers? No one forces you to play at pokerstars.

@acetbfish

I am playing at other sites.the comparison pokerstars vs other pokersites forces me to open this thread

Originally posted by ipeaceonu

Originally posted by panahs
@ipeaceonu
This discussion here is necessary!!!!YOU DO SOME RESEARCH!!!!

http://www.pokerology.com/lessons/math-and-probability/

http://www.regentsprep.org/Regents/math/algtrig/ATS2/NormalLesson.htm

THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION

As i told you, i have invited pokerstars to be present in this thread.wait...... wait..... wait....
can do this officialy?

Thanks but I did my research a long time ago, that's why I am not the one starting threads to cry that it is someone else's fault that your losing money at online poker.

@ipeaceonu

i did not open the thread to fight you.I respect all the opinions.Sometimes you must be polite....I am a winner player to all sites except pokerstars.Also i have Bsc,MSc and PhD on sciences.Believe me many years of research.My username in pokerstars is:panahscy
Can i have your username in pokerstars?watching you and learn?see how win money on online poker?

Originally posted by panahs
I AM MORON

My pokerstars account: panahscy
I am playing cashgames.

What is your opinion?

FYP

hello...i also play across all networks and rooms,i can agree that things "arent as they supposed to",or to say,its not about money,i play micro games,its about fairness and having fun playing...i agree that isnt"fair" when some moron reshove w some last trash vs premium(AA vs 22,AK vs A2,KK vs 69,QQ vs J8...)and miracle happens and he wins by river,no matter what are his holdings...

so,lets take an example;AA vs 22....where odds should stand app 82% vs 18%,wich means that you should win 8 out of 10 times,right??there is a bunch of ppl here whom would agree that is "easily" possiblle to win 2 and lost 8??as that is called "VARIANCE"...

in my opinion,its called "stars choose a winner as they found fit atm" and we definetly DOESNT HAVE ANY PROOF that results coming out is hhmmm,"fair","honest","undisputable" or what ever you want to call it...

that again opens room for speculations,ofc,but let us live that beside for moment...again,in my personal opinion,after years playing,is that at least on micro levels,is happening that lots of "bad players"(the ones reshoving first hand w 22,J8,A2 or w-e) tends to get "lucky" and suckout on people...i personally DONT LIKE IT AT ALL...

so,lets roll back to AA vs 22 hand,where odds "should" be 82-18,and tweak that a bit in other direction,IE...72% vs 28%,so now you win 7 times and guy suddenlly wins 3,so in that one win in long run,somebody more capable can count the difference,so eventually weaker player is provided with funds wich he didnt "deserve" in first place...the trick is that STARS didnt take that money,so you cant blame them...the guy shoving 22 first hand will eventually lose his funds,as that kind of play isnt "winning" prolly in long run...but he will play "longer",eventually part of those funds going on STARS account,wich perhapse wouldnt in beginning,as the winner could get enough and cash out some of his winnings,so STARS doesnt get a part of that cake...

i am not here to start "conspiracy stories",as i certainly doesnt have any "real proof",but nor the other side has any proof that all is legit,you should trust them on their word...i am sorry,but if anyone disagree,please,let he put the links proving otherwise,and no "bullS***" link on stars RNG page,as that doesnt actually proof anything...

also,i am certainly no "PRO" and claiming that i know everything,but i am entitled to my personal opinion and "feel" that i have when playing poker and see what happens on court...my SN is JANUSHR...

Here's a though.

Why should a poker client care who wins? They take the same % of rake no matter who is the winner. I'm still waiting to see hand where hero had 100% equity and lost.

Regards,

Skod

By the way OP, could you please post approximately after a week, how does it feel that nobody including PokerStars support gives a single support to your idea?

skod,i belive that i try to best elaborate what i mean by someone winning when "shouldnt" and how that affects things on global wiew...

so,lets roll back to AA vs 22 hand,where odds "should" be 82-18,and tweak that a bit in other direction,IE...72% vs 28%,so now you win 7 times and guy suddenlly wins 3,so in that one win in long run,somebody more capable can count the difference,so eventually weaker player is provided with funds wich he didnt "deserve" in first place...the trick is that STARS didnt take that money,so you cant blame them...the guy shoving 22 first hand will eventually lose his funds,as that kind of play isnt "winning" prolly in long run...but he will play "longer",eventually part of those funds going on STARS account,wich perhapse wouldnt in beginning,as the winner could get enough and cash out some of his winnings,so STARS doesnt get a part of that cake...

its just an example what is possiblle,i didnt say its proven or something...if you want real eaxmple,in one of SNG last played...i get AA after guy limps,after i stack someone before,i lost to 78...next hand KK and BB reshove 30bb w 88 and won,ofc...last 550 chips i shove w AJ and lost to QJ...you find this normal??or also i can name SNG where i get it in 6 times vs guy,3 times ahead,3 times behind and he won ALL 6 flips??to help,i would describe him as extra loose agrro,means i bet w any2...

all i said is that we dont have any results or confirmation of that result output...how to say it better,idk...some evidence that things are running corectlly...up to now,all we have is STARS word that all is correct,nothing more...and i dont see or "feel" that is right,i am sorry...

Originally posted by janushr
skod,i belive that i try to best elaborate what i mean by someone winning when "shouldnt" and how that affects things on global wiew...

so,lets roll back to AA vs 22 hand,where odds "should" be 82-18,and tweak that a bit in other direction,IE...72% vs 28%,so now you win 7 times and guy suddenlly wins 3,so in that one win in long run,somebody more capable can count the difference,so eventually weaker player is provided with funds wich he didnt "deserve" in first place...the trick is that STARS didnt take that money,so you cant blame them...the guy shoving 22 first hand will eventually lose his funds,as that kind of play isnt "winning" prolly in long run...but he will play "longer",eventually part of those funds going on STARS account,wich perhapse wouldnt in beginning,as the winner could get enough and cash out some of his winnings,so STARS doesnt get a part of that cake...

its just an example what is possiblle,i didnt say its proven or something...if you want real eaxmple,in one of SNG last played...i get AA after guy limps,after i stack someone before,i lost to 78...next hand KK and BB reshove 30bb w 88 and won,ofc...last 550 chips i shove w AJ and lost to QJ...you find this normal??or also i can name SNG where i get it in 6 times vs guy,3 times ahead,3 times behind and he won ALL 6 flips??to help,i would describe him as extra loose agrro,means i bet w any2...

all i said is that we dont have any results or confirmation of that result output...how to say it better,idk...some evidence that things are running corectlly...up to now,all we have is STARS word that all is correct,nothing more...and i dont see or "feel" that is right,i am sorry...

It isnt normal to win the jackpot either, but that happens too. I think the problem is that if people get lucky they doesnt allways have to tell it to every possible one. But if fishies lose on a bad beat, or just a 55/45, you will sure hear him whine = you only hear when people loss, but that doesnt mean they havnt won sometimes too.
Believe me, the biggest poker site in the world isnt f* rigged. Play good poker, and you win the in long run, and if you doesnt... well unlucky bro, doesnt mean its rigged.

to add more...about VARIANCE...i am sorry,but i dont find it "normal" that guy w AA lost 8 and wins 2 vs 22,as it should be "fair" when he wins 8 times and lost 2...so,if do happens that guy lost 8 times w AA to 22,something isnt "right",as AA "should be strongest starting hand",not 22...you know what i mean??
so where is there then "skills",if we play and "someone" or "something" is determining the results,so eventually making AA lost 8 times???for me,then its just a simple lottery,where you hold your tickett and hope for best...you in that case,simple erased competing and gaving hand strenght completly new meaning,totally oposite of what poker teorie says...??and then we should call that "POKER"??

again,in my opinion,if this above mentioned is somehow in progress,it can definetly "help" boost the profit for the rooms,but eventually you are erasing competition,fun and enjoyment in game,as i see it as mental challenge,and by this way,erasing "the edge" as well,or at least minimazing it...i also belive that "good" players should get rewarded,not other way around,but if that would be the case,poker rooms are looking pretty hostile on that,as you are taking soemthing that already "belongs" to them,as we all can recall FTP and the way they "look" on players funds...so,as much winners more,more possibilities for players to cash out and poker rooms to "lose" that funds...so,you suggestv they DONT HAVE ANY INTREST INTO SUCH THINGS??

Malendes...for me personally problem is in "scimming",in this what i described earlier,as bad beats happens,but IF thex happens more then it should,i eventually "lost" part of my funds,wich i "should" win,i hope you understand what i mean...

so,lets say i will perhapse be a winner,but if you take 10%,or 15% or even 20% of my winnings,i am certainly not happy...if you ask me,since BF there is bunch less winner as well players,but this numbers doesnt necesarlly correllate well togheter...further more,you erase fun and enjoyment as i should watch everyday how i am "overrunned" by donk fish play,and eventually losing AA to 22 or w-e more times then i should..??

for those,who will say,you arent "entitled" to anything,you can lost 10 times in a row w AA to 22,as that is VARIANCE...i disagree...those numbers have purpose and those numbers are calculated by far smarter people then me or you or most people here...any deviations,especcially in larger way the it "should " be,is just meaning that "someone" is determining the winners,not by your hand strenght,rather as it finds "fit"...so all i asked is "WHY" there isnt any results proving that some things are running "properly",thats all...

Originally posted by janushr
to add more...about VARIANCE...i am sorry,but i dont find it "normal" that guy w AA lost 8 and wins 2 vs 22,as it should be "fair" when he wins 8 times and lost 2...so,if do happens that guy lost 8 times w AA to 22,something isnt "right",as AA "should be strongest starting hand",not 22...you know what i mean??
so where is there then "skills",if we play and "someone" or "something" is determining the results,so eventually making AA lost 8 times???for me,then its just a simple lottery,where you hold your tickett and hope for best...you in that case,simple erased competing and gaving hand strenght completly new meaning,totally oposite of what poker teorie says...??and then we should call that "POKER"??

again,in my opinion,if this above mentioned is somehow in progress,it can definetly "help" boost the profit for the rooms,but eventually you are erasing competition,fun and enjoyment in game,as i see it as mental challenge,and by this way,erasing "the edge" as well,or at least minimazing it...i also belive that "good" players should get rewarded,not other way around,but if that would be the case,poker rooms are looking pretty hostile on that,as you are taking soemthing that already "belongs" to them,as we all can recall FTP and the way they "look" on players funds...so,as much winners more,more possibilities for players to cash out and poker rooms to "lose" that funds...so,you suggestv they DONT HAVE ANY INTREST INTO SUCH THINGS??

I think this looks more powerful and much better:

Originally posted by BLOWMEBABE
By the way OP, could you please post approximately after a week, how does it feel that nobody including PokerStars support gives a single support to your idea?

as a fanatic pokerstars supporter you are,do not worry about this?you can see on the tread the invitation to pokerstars.no answer yet. they can not defense in public their company that means do not care about their customers!!!why you do not help and ask as their customers you are to be present and discuss?at least to respect their customers

some people start discuss on thread!there is an inteesting about the idea.just wait...

I agree. After 2008 with the crisis, many people lost they job. If pokerstars had to 'defend' them self against every fish claiming they are rigged, they could hire quiet a few people for that... would be good for the global economy

Originally posted by Malendes
I agree. After 2008 with the crisis, many people lost they job. If pokerstars had to 'defend' them self against every fish claiming they are rigged, they could hire quiet a few people for that... would be good for the global economy

Can you please to be polite?Can you respect other people?
Maybe as poker player to be shark but as human you are the smallest fish

BLOWMEBABE...i do think your nick speaks for it self,so i wont waste any more words unneccessary...

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There is just so much win in this thread I cannot even describe it!

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Originally posted by panahs
Many people have complaints about the RNG on pokerstars.Let 's advise pokerstars to change from RNG to live dealers online as others smaller companies have.
For example: [Edited by Lazza61 - This could be seen as promoting a competing poker room],

Check it!!!
If pokerstars can proofs that they play fear game let try to put live dealers online. At my opinion as the biggest company at poker industry they can do this and all the people with complaints believe that they are loosing because are not good players.
My pokerstars account: panahscy
I am playing cashgames.

What is your opinion?

believe

btw, what do you think how many live dealers they would actually need, compared to some smaller companies?

but yea id support this idea, would love to see live zoom dealers !