Hey guys,
I was trying to calculate the probability of facing a steal (openraise from CO,BU,SB). I am a bit confused.
Should the formula look like this ?
P(co)*(1-P(bu))*(1-P(sb) + P(bu)*(1-P(co))*(1-P(sb)) + P(sb)*(1-P(co))*(1-P(sb))
Any ideas ?
Hey guys,
I was trying to calculate the probability of facing a steal (openraise from CO,BU,SB). I am a bit confused.
Should the formula look like this ?
P(co)*(1-P(bu))*(1-P(sb) + P(bu)*(1-P(co))*(1-P(sb)) + P(sb)*(1-P(co))*(1-P(sb))
Any ideas ?
The alternative and more logical formula for me would be:
P(co) + P(bu)*(1-P(co)) + P(sb)*(1-P(co))*(1-P(bu))
That's because if cutoff steals, the further players don't have a chance to steal as well, so we shouldn't take them into account, if you know what I mean.
Basically I got confused between these two, since I assumed the following ranges, and get 0.8862 possibility that I will be facing a steal in BB, which looks rather high:
CO-30%
BU-75%
SB-35%
your formula is more complex, not going to check if it's correct.
the easier way to do it is...
Probability of Not Facing a Steal = 0.7 X 0.25 X 0.65
Probability of Facing a steal = 1-P(no steal)
Both methods give the same answer.
However, I don't think I understand the value of merging these players together.
If button is open-raising 75% of the time, your reaction to an open-raise from him would be quite different than your reaction to an open-raise from the SB
In the first case, vs the BTN you are OOP if you call or 3Bet but likely face a weaker hand.
vs the SB, you will always be IP, but face a stronger hand.
Another way to look at this is that 12% of the time you get a walk in the BB.
*That* seems high to me.
Of course, that is also the % of time you get
66+,A9s+,KJs+,QJs,ATo+,KJo+
Coincidence?
Maybe...
--VS
Originally posted by VorpalF2F
Another way to look at this is that 12% of the time you get a walk in the BB.
*That* seems high to me.Of course, that is also the % of time you get
66+,A9s+,KJs+,QJs,ATo+,KJo+Coincidence?
Hahaha - good one!!!
Since I didn't get replies for a while, I forgot about this question. Thanks Galvin for the reply, the formula is definitely easier, I forgot about the opportunity to count the probability of the opposite event ♦
Vorpal - I don't really remember what I was doing, but it was not about defense vs steals for sure. It was more about what is the impact if I do not defend enough, how much lower my potential "ideal" winrate is.
I am underdefending OOP, but I am having a hard time playing OOP, without initiative, with a shitty hand... Don't know what boards to bluff postflop basically
It is kind of easy to say check-call TP and some strong draws and Check-raise bluff backdoor stuff, and barrel scare cards. I usually play zoom, and underdefending is really bad in there, however the player pools are huge... So you very often don't have reads and have to bluff.
I am certainly aware that i have to open up my range (i think overall i fold to steal 65-70, which is too much), but by this formula I kind of wanted to know how much the opponents would be "autoprofiting", by me folding too much
Regards,
Johnis