[Closed] [Promotion] Guess the hands and win $50!

Hero: 88
Villain: JQ

Hero called the pre flop raise to check the flop for possible set. Villain hit straight ( maybe flush straight draw ) on flop and he raise after checks by CO and BB. Hero reraise for value. Hero hit full house on turn and he bets and villain call to check if he will improve on river. After the check by hero on river( inducing busted draw), villain tries to bluff him out of the hand with all in ( he have more money left than Hero, no need for that if he played for value) and than hero call him with his FH.

Since hero check-called the river shove, rather than bet-folding, he's pretty strong and wanted to induce a bluff. Either that, or it's a massive cooler like quads vs a boat.

I'll go with the former and say...
Hero has QTs for trips, and
villain has AJs in spades that flopped the royal draw but bricked out.

Hero has 88 or KTs. (Official answer is 88)

Villain has nut flush draw. I think oesd with FD gets it all in on flop, same for sets.

Hero: KJs
Villain: JTo

Preflop:

Cut off raised almost random two. So wide, doesn't mean anything.
Button decide playing JTo with position. Calling is reasonable.
Hero KJ suited. 3-bet is okay, but out of position is not great for playing big-pot. And suited hand really want to see flop. Therefore Calling.

Flop:

Hero catch the top pair, check-raise for value. Pretty unlike dominated and draw heavy board. Okay play.
Button has Middle-Pair, calling anyway.

Turn:

Turn card [10] is a little bit scary for Hero. But still Hero has value for draw hands. Hero try bet for value.
Button has Trip-10s that's nice. However JT is not raising enough. Still losing any SET or Better Tx hand. He decide calling comfortable.

River:

Hero planed check-call for invite bluff for missed draw hand.
And Button knows JTo is best hand. Bet for value all-in.

Hero 88
vilain T'x

I guess it could be

As8s for villain and
AT for hero

Hero - AK
Villain - J10

This one is very tough.
For Hero the key is all on the river, as a check/call on this spot is unusual.

So, for Hero:

1. Exclude everything that is not a point (I don't see a check/call with A high or worse here).
2. Exclude every Full House as I think they are just too strong to check/call the river, there's plenty of hands that can call.
3. Marginal TcXc are an option. But the only ones that make sense for a call preflop and a check/raise on flop are A♣T♣ and J♣T♣. But we are on pretty marginal concepts here and regardless, AT would probably still be all-in on river.
4. At this point we are left with Top Pairs that want to protect and get value on flop. Namely, KQs and AK. But it's hard to think an AK as a preflop call given we are on NL100. That probably would be a 3b/push.

So let's try with KQs:
Preflop: makes sense. Can be seen as both strong and speculative hand.
Flop: a bit marginal, but a check/call here would lead to so many troubles afterwards that it makes sense to raise, if you also have some backup plan as well (K♣Q♣).
Turn: bad card to barrel with a bluff, but good if we have value. The bluff-catching range of villain should be wider now and good draws still call.
River: it becomes way too thin to shove and we'd be called only by better hands. We are happy if villain checks behind with the bluff-catching range, and not too sad (depending on reads) against a shove, as busted draws here are a possibility. I have to assume there must be pretty aggressive players on NL100 and also stupid aggressive players that shove any busted draw regardless of how the board developed. We are also not afraid of AK because BU probably would have 3b it preflop.

So my Final Guess for Hero is K♣Q♣.

Now for Villain:
The key here is the combination of the bet/call on flop, with the bet being rather small, and the not-check-back on the river. We are in a 3way pot and if we have something like a set we want to get it in as soon as possible. Same goes with two-pairs on such a drawy board. Certainly it would be marginal, but it would also be even more marginal to check them behind or bet/calling with them, as two-pairs are rather vulnerable and there are a million hands you don't want to see on the turn.

What's left is draws and pairs.
No sense in bet/calling anything under a Top Pair here tho, especially considering the shove on river.
So the only Top Pair I see here that MIGHT not check/back river is AK, but again, it's an unlikely scenario and even more unlikely preflop, as it would have been a 3b most of the time.

What's left is draws.
Anything without a flush draw I think would have folded the Turn because of the dangers of both flushes and full houses.
I want to believe that Q♠J♠, J♠9♠ and 9♠7♠ would have been all-in on flop.
So it must be something more marginal but still good enough to bet/call the flop and call the turn and think to have implied odds for the river, considering the board is paired as well.
A♠9-2♠ feels too weak to call the turn as well.
9♠6♠ as well.
We are left with AQ, AJ, Q9, J7 all of spades.
They are all hands that would call preflop, maybe J7 being a bit too marginal tho (preflop and turn), so we remove that.
AQ would have been all-in on flop most of the time, as it draws to the nuts both for straight and flush and it's overall very powerful here.
A♠J♠ or Q♠9♠.
Good arguments for both of them, but Q9 not drawing to the nut flush on a paired board discourages it a bit more than AJ, even though the all-in factor on flop is relevant with this hand too and not only AQ.

It's a hand that generally looks much more appealing tho as it blocks powerful aces from Hero, if Hero is on total bluff we also have showdown value, and we are drawing for the nuts for both straight and flush.

So let's try with AJs:
Preflop: fairly standard.
Flop: obvious bet, and not clear all-in with a 3bet+, we can call this.
Turn: didn't want to see a paired board, but we still have so many outs against anything that's not a full house, and there are still plenty of hands like that, coming from check/raise on such a drawy flop.
River: a check like that shows weakness as we can check-back with all the worse hands, indicating lack of will to get maximum value, if we shove here I think we can make any Kx fold, considering that Hero probably would have 3b AK preflop. Shove.

So my Final Guess for Villain is A♠J♠.

Well, I don't know, there are holes in both theories but that's all I can come up with.

Hands:
Hero K♣Q♣
Villain A♠J♠

Generally, pf limp with aggression post flop points towards either massive strength and perhaps some semi-bluffs in the mix, but here I would say pocket pair limping for hitting bottom set (88) for hero from the BB to me it screams a set here and hero wants to protect/get value from potential flush draws out there; hero's call on the river is imo by no means a "hero call" but a call very much for value and I have the impression villain's donkshove was very much welcomed. Villain is IP from the BTN and decides to PF call a raise from the CO, then bet flop, call flop check-raise and then see a turn. Now with what kind of hand would he do that? Either he thinks his opponent is semi-bluffing a strong draw and he wants to see a safe turn, but then you would think with a strong but still vulnerable hand he would then raise the turn on a non spade turn, which could mean that villain's turn call means he himself is either (still) drawing or he is slowplaying a "monster" himself with the turn T giving him pretty much an unbeatable hand and he doesn't have to raise turn for pretection anymore and now just tries to take the max EV line overall. So the line from villain is flop bet/call check-raise, call turn C bet from hero, huge overpotbetdonk river.The question here is, is the donkbet on river from villain for value??? I honestly don't know, I either think he had a strong draw that bricked and decided to try and retake the betting initiative and make hero try to fold his hand OR his bet is actually for value AND he thinks his river overpot donkbet is going to get paid off... But on river, what kind of worse hand would villain get value from on the river when shoving, and which better hand would fold river? Not so many hands I think. It is possible that he had top two pair with KTs from the BTN, and then thought hero's check-raise could be a set it could be a semi-bluff, decided to at least call one street, then hit a lucky T on turn and simply called with his monster and then donked river as he didn't want to get check-behind on the river thinking if hero check-raised flop with a strong draw he will not call any sort of bet anyway (missed draws generally don't call big riverbets/go to showdown), and if he had a strong hand on flop he still has a strong hand now but now (probably) weaker than mine and I want to get maximum value from my boat. However, with a boat TTTKK would you really overbet the pot like that for value? Only if you would put your opponent on a very strong range himself, 888 TT or strong trips then yes, but otherwise no. Also, an OESD+FD would have gotten it all in on flop so I don't think this is part of villain's calling range for calling a check-raise with. AK just having top pair with then a non-intrinsic two pair with the TT on board and then shoving doesn't really make sense, also as I think AK will be 3bet from the BTN preflop.

As a final note, if hero's rivercheck (which could point at hero (representing) missing his draws with which he check raised with) did indeed successfully induce a bluff by villain, wouldn't it be unlikely that villain now overbets his busted draws, thinking that hero's check meant that hero missed his draws? Then it would be villain's (actual) busted draw trying to get hero's represented busted draw (rivercheck) to fold, which I just don't think is likely. Anyways, hero CALLS river all-in so HERO can never be the player with the busted draw.

Seeing that it is ZOOM, people do tend to tighten up a bit so in that sense, 2 strong made-hands on the river could still be a possibility.

Final verdict:

Villain KTs
Hero 88

so a bit of a cooler : )

Button - KT
Hero - 88

Hero - Very few hands make sense for hero
1. KT: c/r Flop for value, valuebet Turn against draws, c/c River cos he block so many of BU's bluff catching combos (KX/TX) which makes c/c more profitable than value shoving.
2. Some sort of semi-bluff which decided it has SD value and wants to hero call (AQ/AJ)

I think KT is likelier

Villain - It's either a cooler (88) or a busted draw.
At NL100, people don't value bet thinly so I would eliminate AA/AK from BU's range. I would imagine a combo draw 3-betting the FLop against a check-raise very frequently. This leaves us with nut flush draws. When the Turn paired the board, villain should be giving up with most of his draws esp when Hero has KT/88/T8 a lot.

I'm not too sure how often BU will fold Turn with QJ or flush draws. And I don't think BU bets 2nd pairs on the Flop all that often. So this allows us to eliminate a ton of TX combos from his range. And anyway I strongly believe BB has KT which would block TX/KX combos from villain's range.

1. 88
2. A:sX:s
3. QJ

Conclusion: BB has KT, BU has 88

Hero: AK
BTN: 88

Hero: K 10
Villain: 8 8

hero = ats
villand = kq

Hero has 88, Villain QJ of spades, both are calling hands preflop. Both flop massively, Hero decides to first give the option to CO to make a continuation bet and then decides to re-raise because of the possibility of draws. After turn Hero continues since he almost always has the best of it. Villain calls, because of massive drawing, even to open-ended straight-flush. After the river nothing changes, and Hero thinks he now have only very few hands which would call his bet and be inferior to his hand and there is a reasnoble chance that Villain was drawing, so Hero decides to induce bluffs, and it works fine.

Hero : K10
Villain: 88

Hero: KTs. Reasonable call preflop, c/r flop for value, standard cbet on turn since T here is great and doesn't scare the villain, c/c (would be c/r if villain bets smaller) river since a bet would just scare out hands villain would be eager to bluff with on blank river (putting hero on a missed draw).

Villain: AJ spades. Call preflop ip, trying to get some value on the flop but doesn't want to stack off in pretty much 50/50 situation so calls raise. c/c turn for pot control and possible bluff opportunity on the river. Blank river - that's the opportunity, so shove.

Hero KTo.

He would 3bet 88 p/f most likely, nice squeeze pot. KTo is more likely to be calling. He raises top two OTF, makes a bit smaller bet OTT to make draws and K or T pay, and checks the river to make strong T or plenty of missed draws to bet (K wouldn't pay third barrel anyway).

Since villain pushed OTR, his range is polarized. 88, T8 for value hands and missed draws for bluff. Since he only called the flop raise from Hero, I'd say - missed draw. A:sQ:s or A:sJ:s. I go for A:sQ:s this time

Hero: K T
Villain: T 8

Villain called pre-flop, to see the flop in position with a hand that plays well post-flop, but it is not so good to 3bet with the blinds still to act.
Hero has the same line of thinking pre-flop with is KT.
With the flop hero, makes 2 pair, and with a draw heavy board as that one e decides to slow play because somenone has probably got a piece of that flop, and the CO is the one with initiave, so he lets one of the other two players bet and make a big check-raise.
The CO folds, but the BTN calls, so he probably has something good, two pair or a strong draw.
The turn gives the hero a full house he bets about 70-75% of the pot and the Villain calls, i think this will take a lot of draws from is range.
On the river (blank) hero checks and let the villain bet, calling the shove.
This shove on that board probably means that the villain had a full house himself.

Hero: As8s

Villain: JsTc

Hero calls vs wide ranges std for me.
X/r flop bottom pair with FD seems a good option OOP and villain's call flop is a fair option with second pair and backdoors.

Turn villain decides to keep weaker hands in the pot.

River Hero turned his hand into a bluff catcher.

edit: english tricky language