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Asaban
Joined: 22.09.2006

Thanks for all participants of today's community tournament. Congratulation to the winner. I think he really deserved it!

The status upgrade was awarded to our second place finisher while gadget51 won our raffle for the free private coaching.

Hilarious evening! I hope we can repeat this at some point.

Again: Thx for all who attended today and of course thanks to all of you guys who followed my previous coachings.

See you at the tables!

Regards,
Asaban


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Great course asaban!! Just one question : can these ranges be used in a turbo tournament too? Or do you have to adjust?


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gadget51
Joined: 23.06.2008

Rigged obviou...oh, wait... :f_eek:

Never mind that other fish gadgetwhoever, a very well played and congratulations to our status upgrade winner staszekwichura! Nice one! _love:

A big thank you going to Asaban for making the course fun and interesting at he same time. _cool:


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Asaban
Joined: 22.09.2006

Originally posted by thekopite
Great course asaban!! Just one question : can these ranges be used in a turbo tournament too? Or do you have to adjust?

Yes - absolutely =)


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aent4x
Joined: 13.09.2010

Hi,Asaban

First, I would like to thank you for the great course.I took place in all of your sessions and I liked them very much,
I lost only the last quiz.unfortunately.
I know that there is not any plan for a next course at the moment (cause i asked you on the last coaching session) and as I saw, there is no
coaching session for this week.
I would like to suggest, if you can make a live coaching or a recorded video and teach us how we should make a Hand History review from our
tournaments, like finding calling ranges or solve hands by our own.How we have to work on our game.
Also,I would like you to suggest us,if you can, what our next step after this course should be.
We have to play a lot of MTT's of course, also make many HH reviews (that is why I ask for the HH review video),
but it would be nice if you can suggest us any spesific reads (books) or any videos to watch from Pokerstrategy or maybe
from other sites like P5s or TPE or .....

Thank you again for the quality lessons.


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Asaban
Joined: 22.09.2006

There won't be any further coachings until the worldcup is over. Afterwards we will decide if further coachings make sense.
I might produce some videos for the english community in the future - but I don't know when or about what. We will look at the different options and decide thereafter.

When it comes to recommendations I would suggest the book "Kill Everyone", although it might be a bit too advanced.

In addition you should post hands in our hand discussion forums and open threads in the tournament strategy forum itself if there are any questions.

Regards,
Asaban


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worpler
Joined: 28.08.2007

great course,will have to watch it all.It is easy to apply to 45/90/180 man turniere?????


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Asaban
Joined: 22.09.2006

Originally posted by worpler
great course,will have to watch it all.It is easy to apply to 45/90/180 man turniere?????

Yes - totally =)


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innocent2102
Joined: 27.08.2010

Hello Asaban,

first of all, it looks like a great course for the beginners. I like your pronouncation too (I do not know english perfectly, but I understand all the words you say). I've also started to learn MTT, therefore I've got a few question.

What do you say, about loosening/tighten that ranges from your charts, depending on players? I am cash game player, so I feel I have some edge on early stage and could changing a little bit that ranges. Of course, that requires more carefull posftlop game when we play more loose. Can yous see the value in the example I gave above, or maybe it totally doesn't make sense on micro?

Moreover, I saw deepstack hands. I am not sure (I still don't know yet), If we are willing to shoving Ak/QQ on deep stacks against NIT/TAG, so we could easily play them more profitable by flatting PF, if we feel good on posftlop game. At the same time, we can play more hands with good playing ability posftlop like 78s etc.

Is that all makes sense, or is it redundant?

Thanks in advance!


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Asaban
Joined: 22.09.2006

Hey innocent =)

Thx for your feedback!

Changing your ranges depending on stats and/or your own postflop advantages is perfectly fine. The ranges are meant for beginners to give them a guideline as to what they can play and what they should better fold. If you advance a bit more and gain some experience you will start to construct your own ranges depending on your personal playstyle.

I am not sure if I understand the second part of your post. We are willing to get QQ/AK allin preflop depending on our position. Even with deeper stacks. If it makes sense to call a 3bet or 4bet instead depends on the situation. On average the allin will be the better play for a beginner. If you feel confident with your postflop game feel free to mix things up a bit and play these hands postflop if the spot is alright. Same goes for suited connectors and so on.

If you have any further questions feel free to ask ;)

Regards,
Asaban


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innocent2102
Joined: 27.08.2010

Great, that's all I was asking for. Thank you.

Happy grinding,


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Hi Asaban,
Thank you for a very well organized, and very well presented course!

I haven't been through all the articles, but I have a question about how to treat players that sit out.

For example, if I am in MP3, and CO & BTN are sitting out, I play like I have the button for 3 hands.

The only downside I can see is that I get a very loose table image.

All the best,
--VS


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Asaban
Joined: 22.09.2006

A player that sits out is basically ignored. So your assumptions are correct =)

Regards,
Asaban


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bebek
Joined: 05.08.2007

Hi
Thank You for all this!!
I ask about effective stacks
What if I have for example 30BB and players behind me have 10BB? should I push with 10BB push chart range or open raise?

BR


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Asaban
Joined: 22.09.2006

Originally posted by bebek
Hi
Thank You for all this!!
I ask about effective stacks
What if I have for example 30BB and players behind me have 10BB? should I push with 10BB push chart range or open raise?

BR

Effective stacksize counts. Therefore, if all other players behind you have 10BB or less you can push according to the 10BB chart.

Regards,
Asaban


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by bebek
What if I have for example 30BB and players behind me have 10BB? should I push with 10BB push chart range or open raise?

bebek
I can't remember if this is mentioned in the articles, but I think in the video he discusses this.

I believe that the answer was yes.

If you raise 2x, the 10BB stack will either push or fold anyway.

If anyone can give a reference to where in an article or video that Asaban mentions this, it would be helpful..

Best of luck,
--VS


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Asaban
Joined: 22.09.2006

Way too slow Vorpal :coolface:


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

What do you think of raising to INDUCE the shorties to shove?

I hate it when I have a real monster w/ an average stack and all the shorties fold behind my shove.

The downside is when ALL of them shove behind you and now you're multi-way for 1/3 of your stack.

--VS


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Asaban
Joined: 22.09.2006

It depends. On the lower limits it should work out reasonably well. On higher limits you will get problems with balancing, which isn't important for the lower limits all that much.

Another problem is that your opponents might just call and you would have to play your hands postflop against the small stacks. Not the easiest thing for a beginner.

In addition you might even loose out on action. If your opponent holds AJ and calls your open raise instead of pushing he might get scared of if he doesn't hit on the flop. If you just pushed he would have called anyways preflop.

So in the end you can obviously try it out - but I wouldn't say that the EV is better on average.

Regards,
Asaban


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bebek
Joined: 05.08.2007

Thanks for answers!

I understand the same situation when I have for example 30BB and player on the BTN open raise with stack about 15-25bb I can resteal/puush follow the chart?

Sorry for my English xD


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