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TeamCupcake
Joined: 03.06.2014

Full Tilt - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players

Hero (CO): $26.18
BTN: $27.76 (VPIP: 21.13, PFR: 17.20, 3Bet Preflop: 9.03, Hands: 827)
SB: $20.77 (VPIP: 34.56, PFR: 13.64, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 362)
BB: $92.92 (VPIP: 38.20, PFR: 24.72, 3Bet Preflop: 6.90, Hands: 90)
UTG: $8.43 (VPIP: 24.44, PFR: 15.87, 3Bet Preflop: 3.38, Hands: 3,888)
MP: $17.40 (VPIP: 47.37, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 57)

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has Q :heart: Q :spade:
fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.75, fold, fold, BB raises to $2.50, Hero calls $1.75

Ok...now my question is...on the hand charts on this site, it says that QQ in this spot is a call. Can I ask the logic behind that??

They have JJ as a 4bet/call 5bet and a mix of KK and AA on calling and 4bet/call 5bet/6bet...I get the deception on the AA and KK...and is this just another way of hiding the hand...or are we playing to see a flop if an A or K hits when we are going to run into AK here a great deal?? I feel there is value in raising QQ here...and we let mid range pairs that 3bet at this limit to set mine...or am I wrong?! :f_confused:

Cheers,
TC


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Tomaloc
Joined: 17.01.2011

no way that QQ is a 100% call in these positions, maybe just a few combos?
anyway you can definitely 4bet/call all QQ in these positions as default, and specifically against this guy definitely 4betting for sure


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Originally posted by Tomaloc
no way that QQ is a 100% call in these positions, maybe just a few combos?
anyway you can definitely 4bet/call all QQ in these positions as default, and specifically against this guy definitely 4betting for sure

I agree that QQ should be 4-bet 80% and maybe calling 20%. Against most players you don´t call QQ to hit set, but rather to defend your 3-bet flatting range and keep in worse hands which would often fold to 4-bet. Likely chart needs to be fixed/updated :)


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TeamCupcake
Joined: 03.06.2014

Originally posted by Kaitz20

Originally posted by Tomaloc
no way that QQ is a 100% call in these positions, maybe just a few combos?
anyway you can definitely 4bet/call all QQ in these positions as default, and specifically against this guy definitely 4betting for sure

I agree that QQ should be 4-bet 80% and maybe calling 20%. Against most players you don´t call QQ to hit set, but rather to defend your 3-bet flatting range and keep in worse hands which would often fold to 4-bet. Likely chart needs to be fixed/updated :)

Thanks Kaitz20,

If QQ is at 80%...would JJ be 50-60% and TT the inverse at 20%??


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