50 turning the best hand into a bluff?

Interesting thoughts, vs someone who barrels alot/any draw ott i like it alot, but im not sure how light a nit is semibluffing/vbetting here.

My standard play would be call/call/x/fold, although it is really face up.

i probably want to raise smaller OTT with my range, to like 33 BB. pot OTR will be 90 then w/ 80 behind which enables us to shove quite polarized.

i would x/f this specific hand otr w/o reads because i expect to be good some times if it goes check/check and shove w/ boats and air (789, 78:c:c, KKJx e.g.)

Originally posted by Suhepxm
i probably want to raise smaller OTT with my range, to like 33 BB. pot OTR will be 90 then w/ 80 behind which enables us to shove quite polarized.

I don't think raising small accomplishes much here. If we are dead it makes no difference and we have no FE anyway. If he has a draw he is less likely to fold if you raise smaller, and since he is polarized himself on the river with a draw (air or he got there) it doesn't matter how much we bet, he will fold his air anyway.

yeah but his draws are also just a bluffcatcher otr, even if they got there. Having more behind really makes it harder for him to call down.

And vs your perceived Value x/r range he also has a hard time calling the turn.

true, i'm just not sure people call turns with draws in order to fold river even though they got there. i guess if you have a large enough c/r turn, c/f river range it makes sense to c/r smaller.
by potting you just generate a ton of FE on the turn, the FE against air on the river doesn't matter but you reduce your overall river FE by removing a lot of draws from his river range. i don't know what's better, help skod

Hi,

here it kinda depends on what level both of you are. If a reg does this to me it looks fishy, since it's a perfect bluff spot as i can't have much to call here. But knowing that i can call with more right? ♦

anyways i would just c/c - you basically have a good bluffcatcher, and after you call twice there is noone betting the river here as a bluff at plo50, and not even most players higher up, since a 6xxx is a big part of your range to call twice, along with KK+.

If you do raise you should make it smaller. Why make it so expensive for you? If he is good he is gonna call his made hands, so i would never fire river after getting called, as he will also check behind his sdv.

Regards,

Skod

Originally posted by Skodljivec
anyways i would just c/c - you basically have a good bluffcatcher, and after you call twice there is noone betting the river here as a bluff at plo50, and not even most players higher up, since a 6xxx is a big part of your range to call twice, along with KK+.

I'm less concerned with being bluffed on the river but more with being outdrawn as his turn betting range consists of a lot of draws imo. It also doesn't matter if he checks these better hands behind on the river because he fears I have a 6 and doesn't think he can vbet his flush, straight etc., I still lose the hand in that case. I want to deny him all these draws but granted I pay an expensive price for it once I pot. I'm still not sure about the sizing as I want to protect against strong draws, but he could also be dead so my FE could be large enough even with the smaller sizing.

along with KK+.

Maybe I'm too spewy but I'd always 3barrel in BTNs shoes if I knew for sure villain had KK/AA.

Hi,

yeah you should barr vs KK and AA, most people don't tho.

I know what you are saying, but i think this is the type of hand that is too strong to turn into a bluff. I would mind you doing this with Jxxx here.

Regards,

Skod